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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Hello Juha,
how do you explain those often quoted scores such as Shestakov's 8+31 Spanish Civil War kills or Novichkov's 19 P-40 kills ? Fantasy ? Lies ? Propaganda ? Have a nice weekend, Michael |
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
I don't know. Looked from Maslov's Polikarpov I-15, I-16 and I-153 Aces (Osprey) info on Shestakov. In text he writes that Shestakov got 2+1 in Spain but added that some sources put his score in Spain at 8 aircraft shot down. And later, after a very short survey on Shestakov's actions during the GPW, that "In 82 aerial engagements he achieved 15 individual and 11 shared kills prior to his death in combat on 13 March 1944,...Shestakov's total score, including his service in Spain, had risen to 23 individual and 44 shared victories..." This last figure is also in the "Soviet Polikarpov Aces" table at the end of the book. So Shestakov's score in Spain was 2+1, 8 or 8+33 according to Maslov.
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Hello Juha,
you're right, I checked the Maslov book again. Personally, I would not consider it impossible for Shestakov to score 8 individual plus more than 30 shared kills in Spain. But I think it's virtually impossible to do so and becoming a HSU not until 10Feb1942. Thus, I assume a spain score of 2+1sh is far more likely. After scrutinizing the website that's based on Bykov's work, my P-40 top ten ace list needs an update: ace: P-40 score(total score)
I dropped Waddy (12,5 P-40 kills) and Novichkov (6,33 P-40 kills according to Bykov, 19 P-40 kills according to Mellinger). Some questions remain:
Michael Last edited by knusel; 1st May 2017 at 14:14. |
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Update: I found another high-scoring P-40 pilot named Nikolai Zelenov.
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/zh/zelenov_na.htm Total score of 33,4 [30+12], P-40 score: 19,23 [17+8] Michael |
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Hello Michael.
The Russian scores seem to have many variations - it seems to me more so than for other nations. narod.ru has Zelenov as [30+10]. Other scores have him as [24+12], [24+10] and [29+8], but I'm pretty sure you would have seen those already. Maybe they are WW2 only, and how these variations might affect your lists ...... Peter |
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Good evening Peter,
yes, the Soviet scores differ so much in different sources. I think this website http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/m.htm is based of the research results of Mr. Bykov and therefore the best source in the www. Can you confirm that Mikhail Mikhalin (Михалин Михаил Федорович) has scored his 14+2 kills in the P-40 ? Or can you tell the the decimals of his shared kills ? Michael |
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Update: by courtesy of Stukapilot I learned that Mikhail Mikhalin (Михалин Михаил Федорович) has scored 14 individual kills and two half-shares. The aircraft he flew can be determined by having a look on what his comrades in 126. and 191. IAP flew:
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/b/belyasnik.htm http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/l/litvinenko.htm http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/m/mitrohin.htm It is justified to say that he scored all of his kills in the P-40 except his last one (La-5). Thus he deserves a rank within the P-40 top ten list and Mr Edwards has to be dropped:
Cheers, Michael |
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Addendum:
Michael |
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
As a suggestion Michael, in listing the P-40 aces is it worthwhile to break them down by Theatre?
Doesn't affect the Soviets or British as in their Theatre of Ops (Russia and Western Desert respectively) they always faced the same enemy ie Germans, over basically the same country. But there is quite a difference with the Americans. They flew the P-40 in greatly varied circumstances each unique ie MTO, CBI and SWP. Each of the four Americans you have mentioned all fought in the CBI. In the SWP the top scoring P-40 pilot was Robert deHaven with 10 victories. In the MTO it was Levi Chase, also with 10 victories.
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list
Good morning Jim,
interesting consideration. Currently, I'm trying to prove that the P-40 scored kills on all five continents:
I think I need a proof that Umnak Pass and the Aleutian Island belong to America geographically. Michael Last edited by knusel; 29th June 2017 at 15:15. |
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