Unknown Aircraft.

[Horst Weber]

Good evening Matzos !

This airfield is Berlin-Gatow !. Here the question is, if, at this stage of air-war, those items are really aircraft or are they some kind of antenna. In my neighbourhood was a person, who was trained at Gatow for a fighter-pilot in 1944/45, but failed his licence by the aprupt war-end. He never told anything about jets e.g. on the place.

Maybe this helps !

All the best,

Horst Weber

[Matzos]

Originally Posted by Adriano Baumgartner

Do you know the name of the pilots that took them? It would be very interesting to know.

PS: By the way, where you managed to get those aerial pictures?

The prints were flown on the 6th March 1944 Sortie AA817 which lists as the imagery been taken by Maj. W.Weitner OC 14 Sqn 7th Photo Reconnaissance Group USAAF, he was flying Spitfire PR.XIPA 892
On this day Maj Weitner is listed in "Eyes of the Eighth" as flying the official photo-reconnaissance mission to Berlin.

I have had the prints over 20 years, they were left, with some others, to me by a dear friend just before he died and this is what got me hooked on photo reconnaissance.

[Don Pearson]

Hi,

Aircraft on right looks alot like a Siebel 204, one always seems to be around the field!

My $.02,

Don

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Siebel_204.jpg

[jvmasset]

Hello!

To be absolutely frank, I find these "aircraft" resemble amazingly to wooden decoy A/C, like those the Luftwaffe used in many places...the planforms and the shadows seems all wrong for A/C photographed from near vertical they just do not fit together...the shadows suggest an incredible wing dihedral the like of which I have never seen!

JV

[Matzos]

Originally Posted by Horst Weber

Good evening Matzos !

This airfield is Berlin-Gatow !. Here the question is, if, at this stage of air-war, those items are really aircraft or are they some kind of antenna. In my neighbourhood was a person, who was trained at Gatow for a fighter-pilot in 1944/45, but failed his licence by the aprupt war-end. He never told anything about jets e.g. on the place.

Maybe this helps !

All the best,

Horst Weber

Thanks Horst Weber,

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=D...atow,%20Berlin

That gives me a starting point, again thanks!

Mick

[SES]

Originally Posted by Don Pearson

Hi,

Aircraft on right looks alot like a Siebel 204, one always seems to be around the field!

My $.02,

Don

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Siebel_204.jpg

Hi Don,
I reached the same conclusion 2 min ago.
bregds
SES

[richardb]

My 0ne "€uro centime" idea for the left pics :
a Focke Wulf FW 58 Weihe ,very common sight on german places at those times .

[obdl3945]

Hi, folks...

Richard B, I like the idea of an Fw58... very good suggestion, and the thumbnail showing the high-dihederal shadow of the wing...

And what an amazing sight, to be able to compare the original aerial photos from the war, with the modern day aerial map.

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Well, good interesting news added here since I last entered!
However, we still do have what seems a twin vertical fin, isn´t it? Or only I and another friend saw it?
The Fw 58 CAN be a candidate...however the tail isn´t quite the same that appears on the photograph.
6th March 1944...I still bet my money on the He 280...
Will try to search more when at home ( where my books are stored ). I am 250km far away by now and will return only in a couple of weeks. If I do remember correctly, on the book Me 262 Combat Diary by Harvey and Foreman there are some entries for that day or something related to the Heinkel He 280. Someone could find it out meanwhile?
Thanks and let´s hope there is more news coming along...
Yours very friendly
Adriano

[David Ransome]

Hi,

Re my earlier post on this thread have we any indication of time of photo?
With sun at a low angle the wing dihedral can be misleading in the shadow but can possibly be checked by knowing angle of sun.

I still agree with the twin fin on one aircraft, and scale doesn't look right to be a Siebel - just a thought! Another thought is that if an aircraft was damaged eg wing spar broke on one side, each side of the aircraft could give the wrong impression as to actual dihedral, then accentuated by shadow.

Regards

David