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Old 4th December 2008, 08:59
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Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
John many THANKS! excellent info... I can make out nice summary out of it just to close the Chapter of I./ZG 76 beying JG 76....
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Old 4th December 2008, 09:09
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Andreas,

As written by Lorant and also I agree IV./JG 300 was formed from I./JG 76 beginning October 1944. Planes were flown to IV./JG 300 between 4-10 october...so from 4th I think it may be reported as IV./JG 300 loss and also mismatched to JG 76.
However if there is loss report to IV./JG 300 before this date, I believe that order to rename the unit came earlier and someone already applied it before it was valid?
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Old 4th December 2008, 13:23
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Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
Hi

Have checked, and the renaming is mentioned in the intro to the strength returns of October 10th 1944.

I think we should check the records I have agains Johns and see what we come up with however.

One questioon to John - what units were subordinated to 3. JD at the time?

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In this case Ultra is no help there is just a "Bestand" of the 10.sept. amazingly the ST.JG76 report Fw190A...

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Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
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Originally Posted by John Manrho View Post
29.09.1944:
Verluste:
Bf 109G-14, 462495, gelbe 5, 3./JG 76, 100%, Ogfr. Heinz Neumann, gefallen,
(Donsbrügger Heide, Grab 2213)
It's an little mistake in reports because these W.Nr. didn't exist.

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Old 4th December 2008, 21:42
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Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
The documents I have all list I./JG 76. I don't have NVM of these losses so I don't know what they say (if they exist). The werknummer 462495 was reported like I wrote.....

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The werknummer 462495 was reported like I wrote.....
Of course, isn't your mistake but Erla didn't delivere an G-14 with such an W.Nr. ... so we have to take this number with an "?".

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Old 5th December 2008, 14:56
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I know Rasmussen, but I did another check of the original source and what I tried to say there was no typo on my side. I understand this WNr. does not fit in the known ranges.

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Re: I./JG 76 losses on op. Market Garden
162495 seems to be a good guess, 1 is very close to 4 printed, althought an old plane for that date

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John,

Do you happen to have photo of Dziarnowsky??
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