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Old 22nd November 2012, 16:56
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Re: German ATA?

1944-08-18, 3./Fl.ÜG 1 Süd, Bf 109G-14, 780698, Fl.Pl. Darmstadt-Griesheim, Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit mit Bf 109G-6, Werk.-Nr. 780807.Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Sawkin, Ilja, + (Ehrenfriedhof Darmstadt, Grab R 8 C 168)
1944-08-18, 3./Fl.ÜG 1 Süd, Bf 109G-14, 780807, Fl.Pl. Darmstadt-Griesheim, Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit mit Bf 109G-6, Werk.-Nr. 780698.Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Jakowlew, Alexander, + (Ehrenfriedhof Darmstadt, Grab R 8 C 167)

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Old 22nd November 2012, 17:13
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Re: German ATA?

Excellent, Matti

Do we know where/how/where Lts Sawkin and Jakowlew were captured?

And more names, please! I believe Andreas knows of some.

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Old 22nd November 2012, 18:06
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Rather than Soviet POWs used to ferry aircraft, they were probably former-POW that "enlisted" more or less voluntary in "Vlassov-like" formations rather than starve in POW camps.

As for the collision reported by Matti, here is the story of Ilja Savkin:


On 21 January 1943 Starshina Ilya Filippovich Savkin stole the I-16 "31" of 691 NBAP and flew to Finland, belly-landing 7 km northeats of Saarimäki, Aunus. He was handed over to the Germans on 1 May 1943 and served later with the ROA air force (the Russian air force created to support the so-called "Vlassov" army). He died on 18 August 1944%
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Old 22nd November 2012, 18:08
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Re: German ATA?

Rather than Soviet POWs used to ferry aircraft, they were probably former-POW that "enlisted" more or less voluntary in "Vlassov-like" formations rather than starve in POW camps.

As for the collision reported by Matti, here is the story of Ilja Savkin:

On 21 January 1943 Starshina Ilya Filippovich Savkin stole the I-16 "31" of 691 NBAP and flew to Finland, belly-landing 7 km northeats of Saarimäki, Aunus. He was handed over to the Germans on 1 May 1943 and served later with the ROA air force (the Russian air force created to support the so-called "Vlassov" army). He died on 18 August 1944 in the collision reported above by Matti.

Source: http://kv-bear.livejournal.com/1966.html
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Old 22nd November 2012, 18:32
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the 109´s of Savkin and Jakolew crashing 1 and 2 km south of Hamm/Rheinhessen, after both aircraft loosing a wing in the midair collision.
Takeoff was airfield Darmstadt-Griesheim.

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Old 22nd November 2012, 19:23
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782159 Bf 109G-14 3.(Süd)/FlüG 1 Lt Alexej Tschassownikow+ 03.09.44 Absturz 100% b Überführungsflug b Arber
332519 VH+ZT Bf 109K-4 3.(Süd)/FlüG 1 Lt Oleg Gorbatschew+ 06.01.45 Absturz 100%

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Old 14th November 2013, 13:16
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Re: German ATA?

Do we know where/how/where Lts Sawkin and Jakowlew were captured?


These ones no!, but a russian freely landed at the Anapa FP in May 43

As an example, ignore his name...


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