Bf 109s on eBay. 13/01

[ouidjat]

Hi gents,

OK Jim, He flew 4148 during his brief Balkan campaign, displaying 21 victories, the last one he got over Canturbery. Hence his Tally is shown on fin including LC five ones.
If so the 17 victories figure we can see on the said picture shows us his plane just after 7/9/1940, that is a couple of days after his arrival in Stab II./JG 27.

That is: most probably http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4625 is the said plane still wearing the early 1940 Camouflage.
And http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=1562 is most probably the same plane but wearing the late camo.
Note the old model of safety jacket, and, of course, that picture isn't taken in Larissa but in France; Mechanical fatigues don't match with Grece period and weather anyway.

Cheers, Franck.

[Jim P.]

I think you may be correct Franck. The 2 photos seem to be from 2 different times - it's too bad the 2nd photo isn't as crisp as the first. It may be the same camo scheme, but due to the different lighting....the thing that suggests different times/days are things like the upturned collar on the kapok lifevest and 2 groundcrew without caps in the 2nd photo vs. the one in the first. It's weird the things we look for, isn't it?

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Franck,

Thanks for this rich haul!

4. Is "Schwarze 6" one of the Erla built all-RLM 76 Bf 109 G-6 like the ones depicted at the factory in Autumn 1943?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Bonsoir Marc,

It's a Bf 109 E Marc, look at the air scoop.
No, it's during the first stay of II./JG 27 in Bönninghardt in April or Mai 1940. 5./JG 27 stood alone between 9/5/40 and 15/5/40.
Camouflage is the early 40 one.
I suppose many of the II./JG 27 pictures in this batch have been taken in Bönninghardt.

Salut, Franck.

[markjsheppard]

Elevator position are different as well as shadows. Could mean 10 minute difference but not necessarily a different day. No other reference points - prop, wheels, markings, trees, background.

As Jim said - you look for every difference!

Mark

[ouidjat]

Hi Mark,

Sorry, what are you talking about?
When I try the link given by Marc I just get a production line in factory.
Anyway, place is writing on back of picture... Bönninghardt. Two pictures in this batch got this writing. Both II./JG 27.
What else?

Regards, Franck.

[markjsheppard]

Sorry Franck

Referring to photo 5 and 2023 and your links to the two photos of Lipperts Bf109E after by the side of the field.

Trying to establish if they were taken at roughly the same time.

regards

Mark

[ouidjat]

Ah Ok Mark,

Roughly the same time? ... Huum in a couple of month I guess.
Is it the same plane? I said "most" but probably was enough.
One clearly wears the early 40s camo the other the down-toned sides and yellow cowling.
Concerning the bush background: for me it's the same vegetation, size and "jizz"... Hence same place.
Period: mechanical suits, Kapok "mae west" ... less than a month of difference.
Most probably it's 2023 with its 17 victories when Lippert reach II./JG 27; and probably the plane has been repainted for BoB operations ... But, I agree that many retained their early 40 camo (see JG 3 for example) until well in 1941. Concerning II./JG 27, I'm not sure it's the case. Need to check this aspect.

Cheers, Franck.

[ouidjat]

SORRY Guys !!!!!

I wrote Bönninghardt but we need to read Bonningues (Bonningues-lès-Calais) which is situated exactly right on the middle between St. Inglevert and Peuplingues. (And not so far from Pihen-lès-Guînes)
That is between September and November 1940 for II./JG 27.

Check and Check again like they say!....

Franck.

PS: Is it the same airfield in fact? One unit on Peuplingues side, the other by St. Inglevert while a third one by Pihen, but all using the same strip? Or three distinct airfields?

[markjsheppard]

Franck

Photos are from different periods.

The first Bf109E photo is with 65/71/02 colours with the blue sides and is probably from July 1940?

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4625

The second Bf109E photo has a yellow cowling and the photo 5 on ebay seems to show a yellow rudder so this is likely to be September 1940? The fuselage seems to be a bit more mottled or dirty or just a poorer quality photo.

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=1562

The ebay photo is therefore more connected with the second photos and if taken when Lippfert arrived at II/JG27 and his 17th victory (7-9-40) - would seem correct. (Is the left hand side black mark 'victory' to the below the Hakenkreuz newly painted?) It would be the latest mark?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Flu...ht_2488wt_1574

regards

Mark