ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

[F19Gladiator]

There is another photo of a He111 1H+BC from Norway in a similar situation. 'BC' in white letters and repeated 'BC' in white on the wing leading edge. White spinners and the KG26 emblem on a white shield. From eBay. I agree that the photo of 1H+CC is from Vaernes and it is possible that 1H+BC was also taken at Vaernes but I am not 100% sure yet.

[Larry Hickey]

John Fredrik & Goran,

Goran's photo of 1H+CC confirms Robert Szoltyk's contention that Jon Fredrik's photo shows 1H+BC. I'm surprised at the white code lettering, which must have been the Stab color for I./KG26 for this period. Would have expected green. Both of these could be subjects for EoE Project photos as I need seven different a/c subjects for Stab II./KG26 He111s for the 16-month period in 1939-40 involving this project. These could be "Phoney War," May, 1940, June, 1940, or even July-August, 1940 (each volumes in the book series). So, it's very important to identify these specific incidents. Goran's plane broke a wing, so it certainly should have been the subject of a damage report. Anybody got any ideas?

To help with the history of Stab II./KG26 to go with the profiles, can anyone name the Stab officers and their respective positions (Gr Kdr's are well documented) for this unit during 1940: ie Adjutant, 1a (Ops Officer) and Technical Officer (TO)? I'm assuming that there would have been four Stab He111s in II Gr during 1939-40: 1H+AC, 1H+BC, 1H+CC and 1H+DC. Usually AC was flown by the II. GrKdr, BC by the Adj, CC by the 1a and CD by the TO. However, some units throw you a curve ball regarding this conventional wisdom, and Gruppenstab a/c could be flown by any officer or enlisted pilot on the unit Stab on an "as needed and available" basis.

Regards,

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, all

Anyone got a better resolution scan of the photo showing 1H+BC? I believe there are features in the background which could aid in the identification. My first thought is Værnes, the photo taken in the general direction of Gjevingåsen, and not Skatval like the photo of 1H+CC

With regards to fitting incidents there are quite a few, will add a list later on.

Regards,
Andreas B

[F19Gladiator]

Andreas, here is an enlargement of my 1H+BC copy from eBay.

[John Fredrik]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi, all

Anyone got a better resolution scan of the photo showing 1H+BC? I believe there are features in the background which could aid in the identification. My first thought is Værnes, the photo taken in the general direction of Gjevingåsen, and not Skatval like the photo of 1H+CC

Regards,
Andreas B

Gentlemen.

Did a little family road trip to Værnes this morning and I tryed to id this picture of 1H+BC. This accicdent can be Værnes, but I was not able to id it 100% because it is difficult to find the right angle the picture was taken. A run out on the air strip would maybe help, but I am not shure that would have been the most populare thing to do :-) .
If this is Værnes i do think this picture must have been taken north east in the direction against Skatval land. The surroundings against Gjevingåsen does not mach with the picture.

Have attached a image i found in google, take a look at the mountain surroundings at the left of the control tower, in a different angle maybe?
If soo the a/c most probarly approached from the vest, from the see..

Any body have some more to add this particulare incident, a/c?

[RT]

Vaernes received big planes judging by the wing seen in picture what type ??

Rémi

[John Fredrik]

Originally Posted by RT

Vaernes received big planes judging by the wing seen in picture what type ??

Rémi

A bit off topic but that is alright.
Yes we have different big planes visitting us sometimes, the most used aircraft in Norway is versions of 737 and 738.
But we also have had B-52, C-5 Galaxy( soo heavy they needed to move it around hole time soo the runway not get ruined), Russian Iluysin 76 just to mention a few

[RT]

Ok thks !

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

I do not have access to my wartime maps of Værnes here right now, but the main runway has been running east/west.

Looking at your holiday snap, the aircraft you are sitting in is parked at Terminal A, thus it is pointing with it's nose to the south. You are looking out over the port wing, thus nearly directly to the east.

So - you are not looking at the Skatval ridge, which is top the north-west of the tower at Værnes, you are looking at the ridge to the north-east of the airstrip, called Brannen.

If all our assumptions are correct, then I would place the aircraft close to the eastern end of the runway, and to the north of it. The person taking the photograph is taking it in the general direction of Brannen, capturing the falling ridge in the Vassbygda area on the left and the lower ridges in the Vollskogen area in the right parts of the photograph. The aircraft parked in the distance parked against the treeline close to where there were some military buildings including from my recollection a rather large hangar when I lived in the area as a child.

Regards,
Andreas

[Primoz]

You can find photos of two different He 111H coded 1H+AC - one in Manfred Griehl's He 111 book (Motorbuch-Verlag) on p. 121 (taken in Lübeck-Blankensee in winter) and two in "Luftkrieg über Afrika" by Lucchini / Leproni - Band II on p. 30 and p. 50 (late 1940 / early 1941 in Sicily)

In both cases the letters "AC" are white. At least the second aircraft has white letters "AC" on the leading edge, too.