Nice photo (ebay) late war FW 190

[Merlin]

The Fw190A-3 WNr. 0513 DF+GM was lost in a 100% crash at North Africa on 19.07.42.

This aircraft was Fw190A-3 WNr. 5513 (build by Arado, where often the first "5" was not painted at the aircraft), it was damaged during a bomb raid at Bizerta on 28.11.42, shipped home and repaired. During that repair a new engine with new cooling slots became installed.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Merlin

However Arthy/Jessen claim this EKdo 19 aircraft to be WNr 0130515.
What is your source please?

Smith/Creek claim the WNr 0501 to 0520 were coded GF+DA to GF+DZ. Does this need to be changed to DF+GA to DF+GZ?

Cheers
Stig

[S Sheflin]

Greetings,

These posting are why I love this site. One photo evokes all these responses; and we all learn.

Thank you all,

Steve Sheflin

[Leo Etgen]

Hi Tomas

That same source mentions on page 132 that the cooling gills can be observed infrequently on the Fw 190 A-4. There is another pair of images of a Fw 190 A-4 with the controllable cooling gills on page 142. I have always read that the cooling gills were fitted to late production examples and the number of photographs that I have seen would appear to bear this out.

Horrido!

Leo

[Rabe Anton]

Gentlemen:

Please allow me to offer some conclusions to the thread concerning a derelict Fw 190A bearing unit marking 17 + .

The airplane's [i]Werknummer[i] was definitely 190.01x.0513 and its SKZ was D F + G M. It may have been either an A-2 or an A-3 as I believe both of these subtypes were externally identical. The distinction in designation was due to the model of BMW 801 engine fitted. Apparently on some assembly lines, A-2 and A-3 were produced alternately or were interspersed. Both A-2s and A-3s featured open cooling slots without flaps or "doors" for closure.

The possibility that the [i]Werknummer[i] was 190.01x.5513 (D H + B Q) is understandable but may be ruled out in this case. The Fw 190A-3 190.013.5513 was assigned to 4./JG 2 in North Africa, was lost or damaged, and eventually recovered and broken up at the Zerlegbetrieb Bizerta, Tunisia, in March 1943.

The question of whether open cooling slots or "gills" with flaps is apparently a little more uncertain. The Fw 190A-2 and A-3 were manufactured with cooling slots; it's possible that some were retrofitted with flapped "gills" later. It is clear that cooling "gills" with flaps became standard on the A-4, but perhaps not completely and immediately with commencement of A-4 production. A-4s were manufactured by Focke Wulf as well as several licensees, and it seems possible that one or more assembly lines introduced "gills" only after a few A-4airplanes were made. In any event, it may be said that the cooling flaps were generally characteristic of the A-4 subtype and had been long-established when the A-5 appeared.

If anyone can or will correct me with citation of evidence, I would welcome their comments.

RA

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Rabe Anton

The possibility that the [i]Werknummer[i] was 190.01x.5513 (D H + B Q) is understandable but may be ruled out in this case. The Fw 190A-3 190.013.5513 was assigned to 4./JG 2 in North Africa, was lost or damaged, and eventually recovered and broken up at the Zerlegbetrieb Bizerta, Tunisia, in March 1943.

Regarding documents of Lz.1/108/trop the Fw 190A-3,W.Nr.5513, was recovered in the timeframe 01.03.--10.03.1943 with an damage of 90% and then complete dismantled in the Zerlegebetrieb of Lz.1/108/trop in Bizerta (the unit was stationed on the same place).

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Guys

Stig