Bergunskommando or Salvage Detachments

[Henofred]

Thank you Larry, very interesting excerpt.

I note also that some MACR held at the NARA have copies of "Bergtrupps" reports. More I look for more I see that kind of documents in some of them.

I found also this. Here a link about the “Beutepark d. Lw. 5 Paris” (starting on page 20 - unfortunately in French) with several pictures. By clicking on the picture, you access to the Historical Society of Nanterre Bulletin (June 2004). http://histoire-nanterre.org/?p=560

Best regards,
Frederic

[Snautzer]

2x Spitfire wreck at Zerlegebetrieb" Utrecht
https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeldm...32816%7D%20asc
https://www.vereniging-atc.nl/sites/...?itok=70iPauBh

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpost.php?p=107450&postcount=1


"I'm searching for information about The Zerlegebetrieb, Utrecht in The Netherlands.
At this Luftwaffe location, at the Cartesiusweg (Cartesiusroad), German an allied warplanes where scrapped. At the end of 1943 the "Zerlegebetrieb" Utrecht moved by Flieger Haupt Jakob Mairitsch, to Concentrationcamp 's-Hertogenbusch-Vught (Rohruckbetrieb Herzogenbusch-Vught). After scrapping the planes the metal transported to Germany to be used in warfactories.

In the begin the commando was Dienststelle Luftwaffebeute at Berlin. Later upgradet to an Abteilung. At last it felt under the Nachschubamt. In the Netherlands Luftwaffe Bergebataillon 4 was in charge to demolisch and transport the crashed planes to Utrecht or 's-Hertogenbusch-Vught. They used trucks, boats and trains."


contact Peter van Kaathoven. He did a lecture about this item http://www.arg1940-1945.nl/duits/act...ender2017d.htm and his email is here http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=21364

[sveahk]

Checking through copies I've made over the years of documents from the archive in Freiburg/Brsg, I found quite a few "Luftwaffen-Berge-Truppen". Most of them concerning the salvaging of own and enemy aircraft in Holland, Belgium and France during 1943 (RL 22/2 - RL 22/6), but also one Kriegstagebuch from the eastern front, Luftwaffen-Berge-Bataillon I (RL 22/1).

A big chunk it is, hundreds and hundreds of pages, here are three examples how they look like...

Greetings Hans K

[Henofred]

Thank you gents for these answers and samples, greatly appreciated. Now, we have archives call numbers where to search...

Taking advantage of this opportunity, Hans K, do you have something in your copies around March 6, 1943 for the Brest-Peninsula, Brittany, France?

Best regards,
Frederic

[sveahk]

Originally Posted by Henofred

Taking advantage of this opportunity, Hans K, do you have something in your copies around March 6, 1943 for the Brest-Peninsula, Brittany, France?

Best regards,
Frederic

Sorry, nothing from that part of France and almost nothing that early in 1943.

Rl 22/3 and 22/6 are from april-november 1943 and almost only southern France.

RL 22/2 (not quite sure about that number), 22/4 and 22/5 deal with northern France, Belgium and Holland. Mostly summer and autumn 1943.

Found another one - RL 22/24 - who gives us 33 "Bergungen" in 1943, and curiously enough most of them are crashed Ju-87 belonging to Stukageschwader 101, all at St Raphael...! A training school or just too much french wine...?

Greetings Hans K

[Henofred]

Hans K, thank you for the details regarding the content of these archives call numbers (...and to have taken a look in your papers).

About your "funny" assumption, the rosé wine is particularly good in that part of southern France!

Best regards,
Frederic

[gilles collaveri]

Originally Posted by sveahk

Found another one - RL 22/24 - who gives us 33 "Bergungen" in 1943, and curiously enough most of them are crashed Ju-87 belonging to Stukageschwader 101, all at St Raphael...! A training school or just too much french wine...?

indeed, St.G 101 was based at St Raphael and dozens of JU87 crashed all around : Hyeres, Frejus, etc...

[Gildas]

Many thanks to all for this very interesting information.

Frederick,I think the second loss on March 6th, 1943, the one of F/O PRIHODA Josef is not at sea, even if he was reported as MIA, but south of Gouesnou, as reported on Erik Moombeck JG2 history. Moreover that there's an unknown airman who rests at Brest with that date on his stone. A scholar at Gouesnou saw a plane falling down in this area from high level, making a big sound, but without being able to give a date. The crash area I was indicated is built.


Kind regards
Gildas

[Henofred]

Gildas, you are probably right.

There is perhaps a Gendarmerie report about this loss in the Finistere departemental archives? A report which could validate your testimony in some way.

Best regards,
Frederic