Red Air Force DB 3 losses 24-25 April 1945 in Landsberg an der Warthe/Gorzów Wielkopolski area?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by HGabor

Kirche,
I assume that the full serial of that Lisunov Li-2 is 18415209.
15209 is only the 'short version' without the factory and AC model part.
Gabor

Gabor
May I ask what you mean with AC model part?
I was under the assumption that
184 was the factory code
152 was the batch number, and
09 was the aircraft in that batch

Cheers
Stig

[HGabor]

Hi Stig,
Zavod (factory) 84 produced the Li-2s, or the 'PS-84's.

Factory details: fomer GVF repair plant since 1932, became zavod 84 in 1935;
accommodated KBs of Levkov and Bolkhovitinov; PS-84 (later
redesignated Li-2) aircraft produced; evacuated 10/41 Tashkent
onto site comprising Aeroflot repair plant No. 34, a printing
shop and a sawmill 'Chirchikstroi'

I did not really research Li-2 history, but all wartime Li-2s I went through started with 184........, such as 18414910 - 18416004, etc. 18415209 would just fit between them - and many other examples.

Cheers,
Gabor

[HGabor]

Hi Stig,
Yes, 152 seems to be the batch number, 09 the number of the plane within that batch, 84 the factory number and perhaps 1 was the code of the PS-84/Li-2 model in that factory: 18415209. Again, this is just a theory, but a very reasonable theory.

Gabor

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Gabor

Yes, I am aware of factory 84 (the two prototypes built were 841 and 842), but since there are no other 84 prefixed c/n, I take it the factory for some reason changed their prefix to 184....or....?
Because if not, what does the digit 1 stand for?

The factory was evacuated to Tashkent after the German invasion, but the c/n system was maintained all through the war. Not until ca 1952 did the prefix system change, that is with batch no 406.

Cheers
Stig

[kirche]

Hello Theo,
I see three planes:
- St. Lieutenant Kalinin (Petrovich is his patronymic) is an Il-4 from the 1st Guards BAK.
- And the B-25 and Li-2 are the losses of the 3rd Guards. BAK.
Each air corps dispatched about 200 aircraft that night to a target in Berlin.
BR,
Kirill

[Theo Boiten]

Thanks for the clarification Kirill!

Cheers, Theo