Ofw Friedrich-Josef Jost

[Johannes]

Hi Chris

I cannot find the claim for 07.07.1943 on the mikrofilm(unconfirmed?), that for 13.07.1943 was a B-24 at 0640 hrs A.S.M(I suspect shared), but comes up as 10./ZG 1.

Also two Beaufighters on 25.08.1943 1456 hrs and 1457 hrs, again A.S.M, again with 10./ZG 1, but as we know actually 1./SaG 128.

There are fifteen claims on a mikrofilm listing only date and time for 1./BFGr.196 and 5./BFGr.196. Twenty-two with names for 1./SaG 128 from 30.04.1943 until 09.09.1943.

What is your source for your 07.07.1943 claim?

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Chris Goss]

Johannes: This what I have; I will email you:

7 Jul 43
1205hrs
Ofw Friedrich-Josef Jost
Beaufort
JM336/248 Sqn (Plt Off J C White)

7 Jul 43
1210hrs
Oblt Heinz Wurm
Beaufort
See above


There were 8 claims for this unit and 1./128 for what were in fact Lancasters. Sources are various including Jochen Prien's book

[Karoband]

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1697

Hi Chris,

Like Johannes, I was unable to find the claims of Jost and Wurm for 7 July 1943 on p.0179 of RL 5/1449. However, the date and times match on page 1 of the Abschußübersicht of 10./ZG 1 found on p. 0281 of RL 5/1462.

Jim

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

It would appear that Herr Prien's EXCEL has mis-sorted(like his II./JG 2 in Africa) details are correct, but everything mixed up. Those for 07.07.1943 match those for 29.07.1943.

Reality is(1./SaGr.128:-

30.04.1943 Beaufighter Uffz Berger 0618 hrs 10 metres altitude.

17.05.1943 B-17 Oblt Heinz Wurm 1222 hrs A.S.M

30.05.1943 B-24 Oblt Wurm 2054 hrs into Sea North of Brest.

13.07.1943 B-24 Oblt Wurm 0635 hrs 20 metres A.S.M
B-24 ofw Hans Gryz 0640 hrs 700 metres A.S.M
B-24 ofw Friedrich-Josef Jost 0640 hrs 1000 metres A.S.M

29.07.1943 B-24 Oblt Wurm 0627 hrs
B-24 Oblt Wurm 0643 hrs
Beaufort Ofw Helmut Haase 1205 hrs
B-24 Oblt Wurm 1210 hrs
B-24 Ofw Gryz 2036 hrs 10 metres

30.07.1943 Ventura Ofw Wilhelm Büschen 1750 hrs 5 metres into the North Sea !

07.08.1943 Beaufighter Oblt Wurm 2055 hrs 200 metres.

15.08.1943 Spitfire Ofw Georg Sievert 1645 hrs 1000 metres
Spitfire Oblt Wurm 1645 hrs 1000 metres.

22.08.1943 Mosquito Oblt Wurm 1021 hrs 100 metres.

25.08.1943 Beaufighter Ofw Jost 1456 hrs A.S.M
Beaufighter Oblt Wurm 1456 hrs into Sea 120km West of Brest.
Beaufighter Ofw Jost 1457 hrs A.S.M
Beaufighter Oblt Wurm 1507 hrs into Sea 120km West of Brest

09.09.1943 Wellington Oblt Wurm 1600 hrs

09.10.1943 B-17 Oblt Heinz Wilhelm 1230 hrs 4200 metres

Regards

Johannes

[Chris Goss]

I would agree there is major confusion with this unit and I have emailed Johannes. Berger is 10/ZG1 in North Africa; 30 July 43 cannot be 1./128 as they did not operate over the North Sea; no idea who Heinz Wilhelm is. Apart from 15 Aug 43, my claims accord with what Jim posted albeit a number of 13 Jul 43 claims are missing

[Johannes]

Hi Chris

I believe Oblt Heinz Wilhelm is with 8./ZG 1, and as pointed out Jim listed the missing 13.07.1943 claims as 07.07.1943.

Seems that Heinz Wurm was the star of the show here. Also altitudes are very low in most cases for everybody.

Regards

Johannes

[Chris Goss]

He will be the old ZG 1 then and not a Fw 190 pilot; the old ZG 1 becoming ZG 26 around this time

[Karoband]

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1698

Curiously, as Johannes said, these are the five claims of 10./ZG 1 on 29.7.1943, anerk's #2 to #6. Yet, while the Abscußübersicht got the times right, the dates of #2 to #5 are wrong! Are the anerk's supposed to be chronological by times? These are not for the 29th.

[John Manrho]

Ofw. Wilhelm Büschen and Oblt. Heinz Wilhelm are both 8./ZG 1 which became 5./ZG 26 later. Oblt. Wilhelm was killed in October 1943 and Ofw. Büschen survived the war.

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

A comment about anerk numbers. They do not run consecutive as such, they usually do run one after the other, but then change around i.e 101,102,103,104, 77,78,79, 105,106,107 I don't know why exactly. There are a few incorrect date on the mikrofilms i.e duplication exactly a year apart(only in the west and for night-fighters) then with Günther Rall his 199th-200th are duplicated a month later, with Walter Wolfrum on his biggest day one is recorded for the next day which is impossible because he was seriously wounded.

Regards

Johannes