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[Parabellum]

http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/90/f6/1504_1.JPG
French insignia "Archer grec" as found on planes belonging to " l° escadrille du GC 1/1 "
http://www.airmil.org/images/007-1039.gif

[Parabellum]

http://membres.lycos.fr/muret/spa31metal.jpg
...or "Archer romain" insignia?

[Parabellum]

Useful link for french insignias...
http://www.insignesaviation.com/
look at "1ère Partie: 1939-1945" for the one of SPA 31.

Cheers,

[Modeldad]

Thank you for the clarification on the D520. But can someone explain the white bands. I onely recall seeing them on aircraft the RA took over

[Parabellum]

Modeldad,
As far as I know, in november 1942, south part of France (so called Zone libre) has been invaded, not only by german Wehrmacht but also by italian forces.
The Groupe de chasse I/1 (G.C I/1) was then equipped with D520s and land-based in the area of "1ère Région aérienne".
The 1st aerial district (extended from Lyon-Bron to Le Luc and St Raphaël, down along the Rhône valley) fell under italian control and near sixty D520 were transferred to Regia Aeronautica, as war-captures.
I believe that the white bands (wings and fuselage) might have been applied on those two D520s by french airmen or mechanicians who did not enjoy to overpaint their beloved insignias too! Overpainting cockades was surely enough for them!
Perhaps is it an explanation for the neat painting job, around insignias?
Hope it will be of some help...

[Richey4Real]

those of us who have a liking for other broekn eagles might want to take a look at some of the other pics the guy with the R4M 190 is selling,some nice 109 wrecks.

Nick

http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQfrtsZ450Q...msdivision1944

[F19Gladiator]

Originally Posted by Richey4Real

those of us who have a liking for other broekn eagles might want to take a look at some of the other pics the guy with the R4M 190 is selling,some nice 109 wrecks.

Nick

http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQfrtsZ450Q...msdivision1944

Thanks for the tip! This "White 1" seems to be the same ac as the one published on page 76, top and bottom, in Kagero Bf 109 G/K Vol.III. This web photo shows the ac seen from the port side this time.
Unfortunately no info on location. Captioned as being a G-6.

http://cgi.ebay.de/WWII-German-AIRPL...QQcmdZViewItem

[Kari Lumppio]

Hello!

The He 59 in this photo:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=270097501259

is probably PY+NF. Three Finnish official military photos of the He 59 PY+NF are in the Finnish archives. Those photos are captioned "A German plane forced down by AA at Lauttasaari island beach" Lauttasaari is almost downtown Helsinki. Time is Summer 1941.

EDIT In book "German aircraft in Finland" by Keskinen et al at page 120 there is photo of He 59 B-1 PY+NF WNr 1821 (it is one of the "SA-kuva" photos I mentioned). The place is Helsinki Lauttasaari.

Cheers,
Kari

[F19Gladiator]

Regarding the Fw 190 D again, which I find a most interesting find:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=140094528295

I do not have all the references handy listed on the website by David E. Brown on this thread as they are in my other home seven time zones away, but when comparing with photos of other Ds found in the Bad Wörishofen area listed as D-11s of the 220xxx series; Double Chevron; ; "Double Chevron dash"; Chevron 57 and Chevron 61 - This 190 shows a strong resemblance with these. Another D-11 found now?
Regarding the number "57": Given the number of 190Ds opertaional in the unit (Strenght report existing?) I find it remarcable that two ac individuals both carried the tactical number 57, even if one might have been without chevron, during the same time period. (Replacing the bellied in < 57 ???)

By the way, waiting eagerly for Fw 190 D Part 2 from Eric Larger and team - 30 years ago I did not even dare to hope that so much info on the late Doras would surface! Absolut top quality work!

Ref:
Fw 190D Camouflage & Markings P.1, Eric Larger et al., Po.
Fw 190 "Long Nose", Dietmar Hermann, Schiffer.

[Eric Larger]

Hello all of you

for the moment this picture suggests more new questions than real answers .

For me photo in Experten decals #2 and this one on ebay are depicting the same machine, same, trees in the back ground , etc ...

I think that both photos were taken at Bad Wörishofen , were all other known FW 190D-11s have been found .

There are similaries between this machine on ebay and Fw 190D-11 W.Nr 220011 , there are several more photos of this particuliar aircraft exising , but none of them enables us to see if underwing rockets racks were installed . So until it will be possible to see the Werknummer , we cannot be 100% sure .

Eric