He 219 found in Denmark !!!

[SES]

Based on the latest research by Ron Ferguson it can now been established that the a/c most probably was a A-7.
bregds
SES

[edNorth]

No Remi, not that I know. The info if this is cross (likely not containing any white, in my opinion) or code letter should be available soon, or I hope so. *I figure your comment is on 30 pages here at TOCH! forum, and no W.Nr. and no date of crash yet. Incredible.*

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Michaël,

Since we know that the DB603 was an E-type, we were already sure for 99% that this He219 was an A-7 and because it is more likely that the newest He219 subtypes were sent to first line combat units rather than second line Schulstaffel, this He219 must have belonged to the I./NJG 3, I./NJG 1 or 2./NJGr.10 (ordered from 'most likely' to 'possibly').

All the best, Marcel

[edNorth]

I rather like reading 'based on research here at TOCH!' it has been established that the He 219 aircraft wreck recovered in Northern-Denmark most likely was & is an A-7 version. I have not been aware of real input from other researchers on this, and data presented here is mostly primary one and with exact detail comparison to existing example in the USA.
If this is also findings of other researches, it merely strengthens our findings, that is if that researcher is using same data as presented here in this thread and the same posted links from Denmark.
Our findings is based on armament and type of engines recovered, if I am not mistaken. The W-Nr. of this He 219 A-7 is yet to be found out.
I like asking, Has anyone commenter here been to the 'restoration facility' recently and perhaps checked under them wings in person. It seems the answer to that question still is not resolved. -ed

[Kim Christiansen]

Hi All.

Please see copy of letter sent to me by Ron Ferguson, whom I thank a lot for the information.

Maybe this can generate new information / thoughts from you all on this forum!

Dear Kim,


After close assessment of ULTRA decrypts CX/MSS/R309(A)para44 and CX/MSS/R325A/12 and other relevant material I am convinced that the following connections exist between Werknummern and Stammkennzeichen: -

He 219 Werknummer


Stammkennzeichen

190227


GU+BO

190228


GU+BP

CX/MSS/R325A


190229


GU+BQ

190230


GU+BR

190231


GU+BS

190232


GU+BT


CX/MSS/R309(A)


CX/MSS/R325A


190233


GU+BU

190234


GU+BV

190235


GU+BW

You may notice that the LEMB Stammkennzeichen database (website) already contains entries for GU+BQ (Gotha Go 145) and GU+BW (Fw 44). These entries are incorrect and should in fact be CU+BQ and CU+BW.
The Stkz GU+BT is reported as an arrival at I./NJG 1 on 13 Sept 1944. Until now, it has not been possible to link this to a Werknummer. The date 13 Sept 1944 matches very closely with the dates on Werknummern 190229 and 190233, sourced from CX/MSS/R325A/12. A number of the A-0 machines in this Werknummern ‘batch’ were affected by the bombing of the Schwechat assembly plant 26 June 1944 when it was attacked by the US 15th AF. Some He 219s were destroyed and some (e.g., 190229, 190233 and GU+BT) were almost certainly damaged, repaired and pressed into service in September as per the dates indicated in the ULTRA decrypts.
This means that the Stammkennzeichen GU+Bx series was “split”. (GU+B)B to N is linked with 190175 to 190187. Interposed between GU+BN and GU+BO is a completely different Stammkennzeichen series; the BE+Jx series. Effectively, the GU+Bx series “bookends” the BE+Jx series (an interesting curiosity!)
And - just in case the question arises re GU+BA Werknummer - it's 190131 (an earlier Werknummer batch)


Best regards,

Ron Ferguson
Author, The Heinkel He 219 Research Paper


Sincerely,
Kim Christiansen

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Kim,

Unfortunately I don't agree with this thesis about the Stammkennzeichen batches, I have done research about Wnr.190229 and 190233 and was able to link these to another Stammkennzeichen batch, by evidence found in flight logs.

Ron is however right with assuming that some aircraft of the last He219A-0 coming from Vienna were delivered much later, because they had to be repaired first.

All the best, Marcel

[Denniss]

Any update on this?

[Kim Christiansen]

Hi All

Here is a copy of the update from Mr.Ron Ferguson.

After receiving further information, I have gone back to my original records to reappraise the situation, and I regret to say that the information in my earlier email was incorrect. My thanks to Nigel Moore and Marcel Hogenhuis for bringing this matter to my attention.

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience.

Ron Ferguson
Author, The Heinkel He 219 - A Research Paper


He-219 Denmark..
For He-219 DK, the museum need to have some meetings about the future, I will inform in more detail later.

We are ready to dive and scan for the missing aircraft parts, the water must be clearer and warmer, currently the temperature is about 4 degrees Celsius and the wind is too strong in February and March.

Sincerely,
Kim Christiansen

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello,

I am still very curious about this particular He219, any news about new dives or the preservation team ? I sincerely do hope that 'no news' means 'good news'...

Best regards, Marcel

[MrZaggy]

GDay Marcel

I too FINALLY have a chance to check back (Last Uni exam was earlier - well yesterday now. If all goes well, I'm on research and teaching from next semester. So hopefully more time for He 219 stuff) and too wish to ask if there has been any new info?

Plus it being a 'Black' aircraft, I really want to know if it fits into the 'black-block' theory or not

I must shoot you an email when I finish up my last report for Uni; we reading a document earlier and wanted your thoughts on a section of it.


Dan