German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

[researcher111]

Gabor

Thanks for the info, the report doesn't state from which POW camp or captivity type escaped......thanks anyways

[HGabor]

Correct. It doesn't state it. (But for my research, it is completely irrelevant )
Cheers,

Gabor

[HGabor]

IL-2 No.1877070 can be taken out from the list of the potential SG2 victims on September 23, 1944. It was lost on October 1, 1944 at Torda/Turda-S, 3 km from 5 VA, 130 GvShAP. ml.l-t Semeryakov bailed out, gunner was killed. Plane was hit by flak over Torda/Turda-N, 5 km at Foleuchul(???) at 400 m altitude at 12:20, Moscow time.

Gabor

[muggs_ro]

I think the location is Feleacul, only remark would be that it's ~ 20km N of Turda

[HGabor]

Yep, that could be it. Tx. But plane crashed far in the south.

[HGabor]

Folks,

Here is 1./SG 10 Fw 190F pilot, Oblt. Pohl’s list for 1944 over Hungary. So far he was the most reliable German fighter pilot I found (with more than 5 victories, which could be considered as a reliable ‘tendency’, not just a blind-luck with a single claim). Based on his ~100% accurate claims, Oblt. Pohl was a real ‘Lipfert category’, trustworthy (ace and) pilot:

Date:..............Reported AC:…..Real victim:

20.10.1944.......Fortress II........B-17G-60-BO, Fortress III, S/N: 42-102869, 15 USAAF, 5 BW, 483 BG, 2Lt. George B. Potter’s crew (O-822801, POW)
07.11.1944.......Yak-9..............Yak-3, S/N: 3214 (3229214), 5 VA, 13 GvIAD, 150 GvIAP, gv.l-t Pyankov (WIA)
17.11.1944.......U-2.................Po-2, S/N: 7352, engine: 12042, 17 VA, 262 NBAD, 97 GvNBAP, gv.p.p-k Styazhkov – gv.capt. Strik crew (OK)
20.11.1944.......La-5................La-5FN, S/N: 39212001, 17 VA, 295 IAD, 164 IAP, ml.l-t Strukov (OK)
20.11.1944.......La-5................Perhaps La-5, 17 VA, 295 IAD, 164 IAP, l-t Kuptsov (OK) – returned to airfield and broke
08.12.1944.......Boston III.........A-20B-DL, S/N: 41-3189, 17 VA, 244 BAD, 260 BAP, ml.l-t Zaitsev crew (3 MIA, 1 returned)
08.12.1944.......Boston III.........A-20G-20-DO, S/N: 42-86671, 17 VA, 244 BAD, 260 BAP, ml.l-t Kiryuhin crew (4 MIA)

Gabor

PS: What was his full name?

[Maxim1]

Originally Posted by HGabor

PS: What was his full name?

Forum member Johannes has it as Hubert. Oblt. Hubert Pohl made at least 7 claims.

[HGabor]

Folks,

Ofw. Paul Günther, 9./SG 10 had a single La-5 victory over Hungary on October 6, 1944. His victim can be identified as ст.л-т Кононов Анатолий Петрович (returned) in his La-5FN, S/N: 39211147, engine: 8211299, tactical '47' from 5 VA, 279 IAD, 486 IAP. IL-2s and their La-5 escort met 8 Fw 190Fs in the Békéscsaba area. Kononov was downed, he bailed out, and returned the next day on October 7, 1944.

(Ofw. Günther had more claims earlier, but still out of Hungary so I am not able to verify those.)

Gabor

[HGabor]

Maxim1,

Thank you.

Gabor

[HGabor]

Folks,

Here is the 1944 list for 6./JG 52 pilot, Obfhr. Steins over Hungary.

Date:..............Reported AC:…..Real victim:

23.10.1944.........IL-2mH........IL-2m3, S/N: 1873563, 5 VA, 7 GvShAD, 131 GvShAP, гв.л-т Зубов Виктор Петрович, his gunner: MIA! - after dogfight broke on airfield.
27.10.1944.........Yak-7..........Found no such loss, probably just damaged.
11.12.1944.........Yak-9..........Found no such loss, -PROBABLY- just damaged. (A confusing day, - messy data, needs further investigation.)

Gabor

PS: Other 2 IL-2s of 131 GvShAP on October 23, 1944 fell to Lipfert. (S/N: 10620 and 302820) At the same time, IL-2 No.18753100 of 5 VA, 132 GvShAP fell probably to Peter Düttmann.)