Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Oberst]

In regards to the white outlined Hakenkreuze on Rosemarie, Me 109G-10/U4 'black 1' W.Nr.610 583 of II./JG 52 also has the fabled white outlined Hakenkreuze. So it would seem that not all the WNF 610 XXX batches had only a Hakenkreuze w/o the white outline.

[S Sheflin]

Hello Oberst,

Regarding your reference to Bf109G-10 WNr. 610583, 1+ Black, and its “fabled white outlined Hakenkreuze,” I thought I was fairly conversant with most of the late-war G-10’s serving with II./JG52. However, your WNr. is new to me. Could you possibly supply me with your source for this? I would love to correct my files with this new information.

Thanks in advance,

Steve Sheflin

[Pilot]

Thank you Oberst for Like

[Oberst]

Your Welcome.

Mr. Sheflin,
I believe the reference is in the book ' Aviation Elite 015 - Jagdgeschwader 52 'The Experten' '. There is also a fantastic foto of Erich Hartmann's Me 109G-10(14/AS?) doing a low head-on flyby of their foward airbase.

[veltro]

Oberst,

sorry to nitpick, but I've gone through all the pages of the publication you quote and there is no trace of a G-10 there (if you exclude the close-up of Hartmann next to his last (?) Erla-built G-10 on page 119, but it's of very low quality nonetheless...*).

Could you then precise your source for the photo of W.Nr. 610 583 ?

BTW, the plane doing the head-on low pass was the late G-6 W.Nr.166221 flown by Hartmann in late summer of 1944 and shown also on foot of the same page 111. Contrary to what the caption says, it had the aerial mast, only that in the early versions of 'Erla hood" the mast was part of the canopy, fixed to the rear rim and opening to the right with it.

*(here's a better though small version)

[Oberst]

No worries, if I'm not corrected, then how can I learn? I looked through all 130 pages of the book I mentioned and yep.. can't find W.Nr.610 583. I know I seen it somewhere, I'll have to hunt more.

Awesome picture you posted, I seen somewhere somebody said it was a fake! But obviousely its authentic.

*EDIT*

Pg.49 of JaPo Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10/U4 is where I seen 'black 1' W.Nr.610 583, Unfortunately I was looking at the wrong A/C. One can see the Hakenkreuze on the fin, but its hard to tell whether or not it has the white outline...

[veltro]

Originally Posted by Oberst

Pg.49 of JaPo Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10/U4 is where I seen 'black 1' W.Nr.610 583, Unfortunately I was looking at the wrong A/C. One can see the Hakenkreuze on the fin, but its hard to tell whether or not it has the white outline...

In fact the tail of "black 1" cannot be seen clearly in any of the images...

So, I guess that you owe some little excuses to Steve Sheflin for the definition "...Me 109G-10/U4 'black 1' W.Nr.610 583 of II./JG 52 also has the fabled white outlined Hakenkreuze...".

Here no one owns any certainties, especially when dealing with Bf 109s and, IMHO, your tone may have been mistaken (I'm sure without intentions) a bit sarcastic with no reason.

If I am wrong, I ask you to forgive me in advance, but - as you already said - we are all here to learn and misunderstandings can be an useless waste of time and serenity.

[Oberst]

That was not my intent. My most sincere appologies if I wrote it in that way.

As far as the pics, like I said before I was looking at the wrong aircraft. Again, my appologies for the confusion on my part.

[veltro]

FWIW, I did appreciate your reply. Thanks.

[Oberst]

Diana built perhaps. IMO the camouflage seems to agree. I could be wrong though. It looks also to have a combination of RLM 75/83.