He 219 found in Denmark !!!

[Kim Christiansen]

Hi Ed North & SES

Thank you for your response.

Please look at >>> www.danas-have.dk/He219.htm

Camera 1.
Row 2 Pic 4
Row 3 Pic 1
Row 4 Pic 1

I expect that it is the one you are talking about.


But we are talking about , Row 6 Pic 2 !!!!

I dont think it is from the engine ???

Sincerely,
Kim Christiansen

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Ed, Michaël and Kim,

A very good observation and I tend to agree, even more when I looked at how the Kühlerklappen were opened/closed: a second ring, even better visible when one takes the picture at Kim's site, was turned a little and pushed the Kühlerklappen open.

Close ups from the Lehrbildreihe and He219 Handbook leaves to me no doubts anymore, this is not a Spant. One can see it also when comparing the dimension of the ring with one of the propellor blades > it's to big for being a Spant at the rear end of the He219.

All the best, Marcel

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello all,

Please look at CAM 2 row3 #6, this gives a good comparison of the dimensions.

All the best, Marcel

[Tony Kambic]

Agreed. I have attached 4 images of the restored DB603 from NASM. There is a close-up of the cowl flap anchor. I believe the darker radiator segment is the oil cooler.

Kim, I also attached one of the DB603 with the rear engine housing removed, comparative to your Camera #1 Row 8, #1.

Tony

[Kim Christiansen]

Hello All

Thanks for your help with "Spant mit Spreizklappenantrieb"

and many thanks to Tony Kambic for pictures.

Sincerely,
Kim Christiansen

[Tony Kambic]

Kim, found another image for comparison:

Your camera #1, row 7A, #2 and this attachment, which is the inside of the gear reduction housing of the NASM DB603. Notice the bolted concaved-edged ring with what seems to be roller bearings inside. This part is inside the gear reduction housing, so in your artefact the housing must have been destroyed but that part remained with the prop shaft and hub.

[Kim Christiansen]

Hello all

The Danish He-219 is painted black underneath of the wings and body.
Please see attached no.80

Is it possible, to see somewhere, where planes with the black paint, has been based?
There must be a reason that some He-219 was painted black underneath ?.

Please see attached no.79, which is a second coating of the other He-219th

I hope that this may lead to more new information!

Sincerely,
Kim Christiansen

[SES]

Hi Kim,
Do you have pictures of parts with black paint?
bregds
SES

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello all,

This is fascinating new info because there is a popular theory that only two Werkenummer blocks of the Rostock production got RLM 22 black undersides, because a few (!) photo's suggests so:
Wnr. block 290054-290073
Wnr. block 290110-290129

As a consequence, the adherents of this theory now also claim that the NASM He219 (with an ID-Tag Wnr.290202) 'must be' Wnr. 290060 because
1) this Wnr. was found on the tail during restauration
2) RLM 22 was found under the fuselage and wings
3) 290202 has not its original engines it had when it arrived in the USA

I have become one of the critics of that theory because
1) there are photo's of exceptions: He219 with Wnr. from these two blocks without RLM 22 undersides
2) there is no documentary proof that all He219 of those two Wnr. blocks rolled out with RLM 22 undersides
3) as He219's were not equipped for Nachtschlacht duties, RLM 22 for that purpose is very doubtful
4) it is very strange that if so many black He219 were produced, so few can be found at the major users, the I./NJG 1 and I./NJG 3

If we all agree that the Hirtshals wreck was an A-7 (thus having a Wnr. 310xxx) because of its DB603 E engine, yet another argument against the theory above has come to light.

I follow Michaël's plea to show us some pictures because the drawings of model manufacturers are as trustfull as the fairy tales of Grimm

All the best, Marcel

[edNorth]

Facinating info on "Black theory" or that airplane was painted black under?

News of black painted airplane is not news per se. Post #167 (17 May 2012) I mention this: "Looking at paint, I think this airplane was black under, either overall black or partly black only on undersides. Maybe no news to them familiar with He 219, but careful study of this can aid in indentification later on."

I think we are fairly certain this might be He 219 A-7 version, with DB 603 E1. Then it begs the question if letters "LXX 707" on the flap/aileron data tags also refer to Rostock made A-7´s.

Then what of painted numbers "122 123" found on outside of wingtip end-rib. One pet guess of mine in recent months be that "wing unit" (one piece wing) might have been 22nd or 23rd (A-7) wing or 122nd or 123rd (in total He 219 production, or assembled by Rostock).

Then, still no news of, if anybody has looked at "inside of hatches" on the wings underside. If so, I may have missed out on that have no info?

regards
ed