Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[S Sheflin]

Hello Marc,

I don’t have a copy of the famous photo to which you refer in front of me right now, but unless I am mistaken, I believe that “Bf 109 G-6/AS W.Nr. 163 987 "Weisse 10" from II./JG 3 in Nogent-le-Roi,” is actually a 109G-6 and not an AS.

Crashed Enemy Aircraft (CEA) report #257 lists its engine as being, DB605A-1, WNr. 007 07724; and all of the technical details I in my database indicate a G-6.

If I am wrong in this, I would love to correct my files.

Steve Sheflin

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Steve,

Here it is: oddly enough, there were two "Weisse 10" found in Nogent-le-Roi.

The first one is the well known W.Nr. 166 224, and the second is W.Nr. 163 987, of which I attached the pic here. You will notice the vertical bar of the "1" showing under the GI's thigh who leans in the cockpit, whilst the second digit "0" can bearly be seen at the height of the neck and chin of the second, standing GI.

I agree that the list of planes does not mention an AS engine...but the photo shows otherwise...

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Ferdinando,

Many thanks for your praise! I will stand true to the hoped for standard and thus "neutralize" the legend, as safety of research obviously commends.

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to Ludovic, over on LEMB, I just uploaded a serie of screenshots taken from a US 103 Div. cameraman film shot in the winter 1945 - 1946 at Schongau:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpvmygc8f44

There are at least four Erla built Bf 109 G-10 and some older G-6 or G-14 types. All told a tremendous film, including a Fw 190 D-9 with it's 24 R4M rockets still attached on the wooden racks under its wings...

Cheers
Marc

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

film, including a Fw 190 D-9 with it's 24 R4M rockets still attached on the wooden racks under its wings...

Cheers
Marc

And it looks like it has "62" in small black figures (partly covered by snow) on the wing leading edge. Similar leading-edge markings were seen in the Verbandsführerschule General der Jagdflieger. Unlike other known aircraft of theirs (see Japo's Fw 190 D, Vol. 1), this doesn't seem to be a D-11, lacking that sub-type's outer wing cannon.

[S Sheflin]

Hi Marc and Nick,

Stop the film at 2:01and count the white R4M tips. I count 13 = 26 total. What do you think?

Steve Sheflin

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by S Sheflin

Stop the film at 2:01and count the white R4M tips. I count 13 = 26 total. What do you think?

Steve Sheflin

I make it 13 too.

[Micke D]

The resent information is that the Doras had 2 x 13 rockets; it was only when the first photo was found it looked like there were 2 x 12 rockets.

[FalkeEins]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

And it looks like it has "62" in small black figures (partly covered by snow) on the wing leading edge. Similar leading-edge markings were seen in the Verbandsführerschule General der Jagdflieger. Unlike other known aircraft of theirs (see Japo's Fw 190 D, Vol. 1), this doesn't seem to be a D-11, lacking that sub-type's outer wing cannon.

This footage is exploited in the Eagle Editions Dora book (Vol II, p187-188) - the aircraft is identified as a D-9 of 1./JG 101 'white 52' or possibly 'chevron white 52'

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Merci Franck,

For your praise; with your and Ferdinando's untiring help, the 1944 - 1945 Bf 109 encyclopedy we're slowly building will be done one day;-))

Sincerely
Marc