Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Unikum!

Am currently travelling and cannot open the picture. Could you upload it? Many thanks in advance

Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Gang,

I've just uploaded two pictures of a Bf 109 G from an unknown unit, found derelict at Brussels Melsbroek in late September 1944.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

This machine sports a very dark two tones camouflage which brings us back on other, later - mainly Erla built - Bf 109 G-10 in the W.Nr. 150'000 - 152'000 range. For 1944, I'm not aware of any Bf 109 camouflaged in such dark color beyond the lone Bf 109 G-6/AS "Grüne 5", piloted by Oblt. Manfred Dieterle, 2./Erg. JG 2, at Ludwigslust, in December 1944.

Does one of you guys have informations on any other Bf 109 G camouflaged in such dark hues in August or early September 1944? As for this particular machine, I would be grateful for any other information, especially it's unit and subtype.

Thanks in advance
Marc

[ouidjat]

Hi there gang's boss!

I am going to say a stupid thing but the following one is in same range and it's a Schwarze 7 too. Of course the mountains in background don't make us think to Belgium; whatever ...
And I didn't say it's the same plane; just an element of possible answer.
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7174
JG 27 sounds strange with that similingly Yellow band.
Cpt Farrels did make a profile of a G-10, "Schwarze 13" displaying such dark (two tones) camouflage and such yellow band talking about a JG 11 aircraft.

Cheers, Franck.

[Falcon]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Hi there gang's boss!

I am going to say a stupid thing but the following one is in same range and it's a Schwarze 7 too. Of course the mountains in background don't make us think to Belgium; whatever ...
And I didn't say it's the same plane; just an element of possible answer.
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7174
JG 27 sounds strange with that similingly Yellow band.
Cpt Farrels did make a profile of a G-10, "Schwarze 13" displaying such dark (two tones) camouflage and such yellow band talking about a JG 11 aircraft.

Cheers, Franck.

Thats my source, Franck:
http://s1224.photobucket.com/profile/ASYLUM_thirteen

A nice collection of G-10 photos from different sources. Its like Marcs collection.

Tschöö,
David

[ouidjat]

Hello David,

Yes... That picture story.
Downloaded in April 2010 from one US site or "outsider" Forum - without being sarcastic. Original size is 1850 wide.
Given WNr.1523x3 after a TOCH and/or LEMB discussion/comment. Don't know this 152033 comes from, but why not. At least we have two "3" in both! .
And given unit JG 27. I'm not critisizing your caption my dear friend.
BUT: Anders did put his "Schwarze 13" profile in his (old) site in 10/2011 (? At least I did download it at that time).
And it's true that this yellow band is puzzling me and I wonder from where comes this JG 27 caption.

And still no answer.

NOTE: Looking in my modest lost list in the range given by Marc I did find 12 planes: 9 from JG 300, two from NJG 11 and one from JG 27. All lost in 1945.
Some hypothesis: (Of course 12 is not enough)
1/ Anders "Schwarze 13" isn't JG 11 but NJG 11.
2/ All in fact are JG 300/NJG 11 being flown night and day, shared by both unit.
3/ Hence this "special camo".

Left that Bruxelles Late September 1944 picture....

Tshüss, Franck.

[RolandF]

Its like Marcs collection.

Not like Marc´s. It´s Photobucket and I can see the pics

Regards

Roland

[Falcon]

Hi Roland,
I don't have an account at Photobucket and I can see the photos. I use Firefox and the browser country settings are UK/US. Try this...

[ouidjat]

Thanks David!!!

Schwarze 13!
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7179

Tschüss, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hallo David, Franck und Roland!

Thanks for your thoughts, Franck! Your reasoning about the known pictures does bring us forward: I've never thought of JG 300/NJG 11 as linked units. David, the Yellow fuselage band does point in the same direction indeed. By the way, did you find your "Schwarze 13" pictures on Ebay?

Roland, I concur with David: I also installed on my Mac Firefox, and put the country setting on UK/USA and since then, no more worries;-))

As Franck puts it, this leaves us with the one and only dark camouflaged Bf 109 G depicted at Brussels Melsbroek in late September 1944. Was NJG 11 operating from this airfield?

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Euh, Hum ...

Slowly: it's just an idea ... And what I wrote when in office without checking deaper and in detail can be wrong...
1./NJG 11 was formed from 6./JG 300. In August 1944.
2./NJG 11 from 1./NJGr. 10 from I./JG 300
and so on.
All units used Bf109G and looks like Bf109G-10s indeed starting late 1944...

So it seems there is a possibility but it's open.
And it is just based on my short lost list on these batches. We need more and we need to verify that other units (II./JG 52 for example!) did NOT fly on such camouflaged machines. Actually the same Anders did paint a very close camouflaged JG 52 machine!

BUT, nevertheless, it's an appealling idea! I like it ... until a much more expert than I will put more arguments on the table.

OK. The link given by David is working straight forward for me, without firefox stuff.
The guy running this photobuckett is one of us, of course. But not me; I swear!.. And I concurr with Roland; it's not exactly the same stuff. Marc is engaging a permanent discussion between his page and this Forum and LEMB members too... Let's see.

Tschüss, Franck.