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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
Ok Here some explanation about RCAF
The first RCAF formation coming from Canada to set foot in the UK was not number 1 but Number 110 Army Cooperation Squadron under squad leader W.D.Van Vliet on 25 feb 1940 , a second army Cooperation Squadron Number 112 arrive at the end of may... The number 1 (RCAF) Squadron under the command of squad. leader E.A McNab disembarking on 20 june..coincidale with the fall of France.. Number 1 Squadron consisting of 115 auxiliary Squadron of Montreal merged at the outbreak of the war with Number 1 . They were Canadian Permanent Force Squadron and not Oversea unit. Number 1 is a early squadron numbers who have a history going back to the post-First World War Canadian Air Force which disbanded in 1920. These units were formed after the creation of the RCAF in 1924. The 100-series squadrons Established in Canada in the 1930s most of these units were either disbanded or reassigned a 400 series number for overseas service The 400-series squadrons During the Second World War, the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan set out co-operation between the various British Commonwealth air forces. Under Article XV of the plan, RCAF squadrons were attached to and/or formed within British RAF operational formations. These squadrons were known as 'Article XV squadrons'. To avoid confusion with squadron numbers of other Commonwealth squadrons, RCAF units were assigned squadron numbers from 400-449. Not all squadrons up No. 449 were formed, however. This squadron series continued through the post-war years, and the majority of current Royal Canadian Air Force operational squadrons are still numbered in the 400s due to their legacy as wartime units. For this historical reason current squadrons are listed here with their original RCAF names. No. 400 Squadron RCAF No. 401 Squadron RCAF No. 402 Squadron RCAF No. 403 Squadron RCAF No. 404 Squadron RCAF No. 405 Squadron RCAF No. 406 Squadron RCAF No. 407 Squadron RCAF No. 408 Squadron RCAF No. 409 Squadron RCAF No. 410 Squadron RCAF No. 411 Squadron RCAF No. 412 Squadron RCAF No. 413 Squadron RCAF No. 414 Squadron RCAF No. 415 Squadron RCAF No. 416 Squadron RCAF No. 417 Squadron RCAF No. 418 Squadron RCAF No. 419 Squadron RCAF No. 420 Squadron RCAF No. 421 Squadron RCAF No. 422 Squadron RCAF No. 423 Squadron RCAF No. 424 Squadron RCAF No. 425 Squadron RCAF No. 426 Squadron RCAF No. 427 Squadron RCAF No. 428 Squadron RCAF No. 429 Squadron RCAF No. 430 Squadron RCAF No. 431 Squadron RCAF No. 432 Squadron RCAF No. 433 Squadron RCAF No. 434 Squadron RCAF No. 435 Squadron RCAF No. 436 Squadron RCAF No. 437 Squadron RCAF No. 438 Squadron RCAF No. 439 Squadron RCAF No. 440 Squadron RCAF No. 441 Squadron RCAF No. 442 Squadron RCAF No. 443 Squadron RCAF The 600-series squadrons During the Second World War pilots who served in the 600-series RCAF squadrons were recruited from the Royal Canadian Artillery in England and Italy, and trained to fly at 22 E.F.T.S. Cambridge (England), completing their operational flying training at 43 O.T.U. (RAF Andover). Observers were trained at Larkhill (England); these were selected 'Other Ranks' from the Royal Canadian Air Force and Royal Canadian Artillery. The three Canadian 'Air Observation Post' squadrons operated under the command of 70 Group, RAF Fighter Command; the first two squadrons saw action while serving with 84 Group, Second Tactical Air Force. John Maybe you should read more about RCAF .... Here a Amazing book were you can learn many thing about it.. All the fine young eagleS "in the cockpit with Canada,s second world war fighter pilot" By Lieutenant-Colonel David L Bashow Canadian Fighter Pilot and Staff Officer Queen university centre for international Relation USAF/GAF Fighter Weapons instructor school And U.S Navy Fighter Weapon School (Top Gun) Well who I should Believe ? Him or You ???? Last edited by VonWaffen; 17th February 2014 at 15:07. Reason: typo |
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
By the way 242 RCAF Squadron was later deCanadianized and not transform as a 400 serie...
Cheers Eric CFB StJean National defence Canada.... |
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The base library at St. Jean used to have several copies of "There Shall Be Wings" by Leslie Roberts. You should read it. In particular, look at Chapters 10 and 11, which cover the issues we are discussing here. |
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
Bill... I never say RAF member ,RAF planes or even pencil were pay by RCAF ???
Maybe we should throw all these books in the Bin loll I will read this one if you read Lt Col David L Bashow "All the fine young eagle" |
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
VonWaffen,
I have reached the conclusion that the sole purpose of this thread is for you to shit-stir on here in order to promulgate your distorted, and incorrect, view concerning 242 (Canadian) Fighter Squadron, RAF, to give it its correct title. While you nationalistic pride is to be admired, it is to be deplored when you try to foist upon others the notion that 242 Squadron in 1940 was 242RCAF. Bill Walker, in post #23, has more than adequately covered all the salient points regarding 242 Squadron, RAF. I think it is time for you to gracefully retire from this debate and admit defeat...
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
John I never try to make a fight about 242 , I was here for a pic of a plane...
Everything write in my post can be read in that book... no were in the book RAF 242 Squadron can be read, RCAF 242 can , those are not my words but Lt Col Bashow one...however it seems to be a very serious book on any other aspect Sorry if this bring controversy about 242 Squadron , it was not my goal... regard Eric |
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
"...Everything write in my post can be read in that book..." That is not in dispute. That has nothing to do with your claim that 242 was RCAF in 1940.
"...no were in the book RAF 242 Squadron can be read, RCAF 242 can..." If this is what one person says, then I would counter with the words of Bill Walker in post #274: "...No. It is a mistake. 242 Squadron was an RAF unit. UK founded, UK funded, UK directed..." You really won't let go, will you, while claiming innocence and still stating your case strongly. Do you really think we are all daft...?
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
I ask again.
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
From memory, the pilots were mostly Canadian, mostly in RAF uniforms. The ground crew and admin staff would have been straight RAF, which might have included a few Canadians in RAF uniforms.
We need to keep in mind that at this time Canadians were all British subjects, and traveled abroad with a British passport. RAF records at the time did not always identify Canadians as such. |
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Re: 242 RCAF in BOF
Thanks Bill.
So to say that 242 was a Canadian squadron is utter nonsense as the personnel of the squadron were mostly British. |
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