French H-75A-4 aircraft

[takata_1940]

Caramba !!

and I didn't have access to Takata's research

private joke, isn't it ?

and of which Takata is also aware

well, how do you know then ?
I had a lot of faith on my co-researcher but this is a hard proof that he's trying to misinform us... :-D

[Alex Smart]

Oooooh,

this thread is Great.

many thanks to all who are participateing.

My interest in at the start was only to find out more on those that were used by Little Norway in Canada.

But I was distracted by all the members imput.

What info I have is I admit not all that up to date but I do try to share it with others at no cost. I do not have unlimited resources either so all of these new books(?) will be out of my reach and definitely not available at my local library. I am still in the process of saveing for Tony Mireless's book on American Crashsites at over £100 plus postage from the US.

I did not know the names of the ships mentioned or their cargo's. But even that seems to be in contension, so I won't even go there. The detail re the a/c aboard each one is very interesting though, specialy those that went on to Martinique and Guadeloupe. Small in number. checks out with the photo that was attached to an earlier posting here.

Well done ALL

Thanks
Alex

[Alex Smart]

H75A-1

12879

X-881

France

82

Finland

CU-568

A-1

From my Excel sheet.

Alex

[Buz]

Hi Oliver

Would it please be possible for you to contact me off board at buznsue@mydesk.net.au

Alex

The aircraft you are after are as follows
Type Number C/N Date Del Country

H-75 1 14546 3-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 2 14547 16-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 3 14548 16-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 4 14549 16-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 5 14550 20-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 6 14551 20-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 7 14552 20-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 8 14553 24-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 9 14554 24-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 10 14555 30-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 11 14556 30-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 12 14557 30-Dec-40 Norway H-75A8
H-75 13 14558 2-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 14 14559 3-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 15 14560 3-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 16 14561 3-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 17 14562 8-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 18 14563 7-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 19 14564 7-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 20 14565 9-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 21 14566 9-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 22 14567 14-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 23 14568 14-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 24 14569 15-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 25 14570 15-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 26 14571 17-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 27 14572 17-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 28 14573 23-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 29 14574 23-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 30 14575 24-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 31 14576 29-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 32 14577 29-Jan-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 33 14578 4-Feb-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 34 14579 4-Feb-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 35 14580 4-Feb-41 Norway H-75A8
H-75 36 14581 4-Feb-41 Norway H-75A8

[Alex Smart]

Hello Buz,

Thanks I have them. but will check to see if I have them all.USA crashed a/c and Peru too. Also details on Norwegian losses in Canada
Somewhere I have a small list of three or four that were crashed with the luftwaffe. Have to look for it.
Alex



Alex

[Alex Smart]

Hi,

Re the British Mohawks ( including the five ex Norwegian) But not counting the Little Norway ones in Canada. But including the Ex Iranian a/c used in India
I make the list about 246 or so quite higher than the 204 a/c noted in an earlier post.
Thats not including any ex French that may have crossed to Great Britain after the fall of France. On which does anyone have details of any that did? I have found nothing at all.
If there were some then the number could be as high as 250.

Alex

[takata_1940]

Hi Alex,

I make the list about 246 or so quite higher than the 204 a/c noted in an earlier post.
Thats not including any ex French that may have crossed to Great Britain after the fall of France. On which does anyone have details of any that did? I have found nothing at all.
If there were some then the number could be as high as 250.

Deliveries recorded under both French contracts F-156 and F-273 :

AR630-634 (5)........Aug/Dec 1940
AR635-694 (60).....Aug/Dec 1940
AX880-898 (19).......Nov/Dec 1940
BB918-937 (20)......Sep 1940/Mar 1941
BB938-973 (-)........undelivered
BB974-979 (6)........Sep 1940/Mar 1941
BJ434-453 (20).......Oct 1940/Jan 1941
BJ531-550 (20).......Oct 1940
BJ574-588 (-)........undelivered
BK569-588 (20)......Nov/Dec 1940
BK876-879 (4)........Nov 1940/Jan 1941
BL220-223 (4)........Dec 1940
BS730-738 (9)........Oct 1940
BS739-743 (-)........undelivered
BS744-747 (4)........Oct 1940
BS784-798 (15)......Dec 1940/Mar 1941
BT470-472 (3)........Mar 1941
Total..........204*

(*) in fact, this total is 209 because the first five AR630-634 are H-75A-6 from the Norvegian contract. Some batches of serial are undelivered and if you discount those, the total should be right... but one :

Serial AX799, found with 5th
Squadron/ 151 OTU / 208 MU, lost in Jodhpur 7.6.1942.

On the other hand, "Number 10" arrived at A&AEE on 11th July 1940, and is supposed to be a Mohawk IV. This one is obviously a French one escaped from France and the H-751 N°10 c/n 13815 is missing as well in France. We still need to check this aircraft in British archives, but I guess it's the same plane escaped from Bourges around 15th June piloted by a Czech or Polish pilot.

Regards,
Olivier Bacca.

[Modeldad]

Lucien:

Is this the restored aircraft which you mentioned. I would be most interested if you could give me more details on it. Anything you can.

you may even contact me directly at modeldad@verizon.net

[Petitpoucet]

Hello everybody !

YES modeldad, when Lucien writes that n°82, 84 and 86 left Fort de France on 15th june 1945, bond to Marseille, he speaks about the only n°82 still in the French AA at this date, the A4.
And we found the hard proof that she was in Cazaux during 1949, featuring a P&W Engine !

[Modeldad]

Interestint. Here is what the restorers at the Fighter Factory have to say about it:



All that's known about the history of the aircraft at the moment is that the a/c was shipped to the French Air Force in April 1939 and issued to GC 11/5 at Reims, thereafter based at Toul during the battle of France and then made its way to Oran, Algeria before the Armistice. From 1940 to '42 the Squadron was engage in sporadic fights with British aircraft such as Sunderlands, Hudsons, Fulmars, Wellingtons over Algeria, Tunisia and Morroco, plus USN Wildcats.
In 1946 until 1949 it was on the strength of the 4th Training Squadron at Cazaux in western France with 22 others. It was saved from scrapping by Michel Pont in the '50's and been in storage in France until the '80's until TFC moved it to Duxford.