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Christian Schulz · #21 6th April 2008, 12:15

If I had to wager a guess III./JG 52 sounds like a probable candidate. Perhaps even I./JG 52.

Brian Bines · #22 7th April 2008, 12:03

On 11th Sept Uffz Alex ?erie (possibly Gerie) of 13/JG52 was reported missing east of Noverossisk in Bf109G-4 14938 yellow 2 , I think this location is too far south though. On the 9th Sept Fw. Anton Matusek in G-4 19347 yellow 9 and Uffz Ludwig Durodsky in G-4 yellow 13 both of 13/JG52 were reported missing location unknown. As another possibility ,but I do not know how close the location is, on the 30th Sept Oblt Emil Konrad in Bf 109G-6 of I/NAG2 19715 was reported missing following engine trouble in the area of Bol-Tokmak. I guess if an aircraft werknummer turns up this matter will be quickly resolved.

Ota Jirovec · #23 7th April 2008, 12:58

Hello Brian,

You can safely rule out all mentioned 13./JG 52 Messerschmitts. All above Slovak pilots have defected to the Soviet side (rtk. Anton Matúšek in Bf 109G-4 WNr. 19347, gelbe 9, and čtk. Ludovít Dobrovodský in Bf 109G-4 WNr. 16259, gelbe 13, on 9 September 1943 and čtk. Alexander Gerič in Bf 109G-4 WNr. 14938, gelbe 2, on 11 September 1943) and have "delivered" their aircraft to Russians intact. Matúšek and Dobrovodský have landed on a field near Novomalorossiyskaya while Gerič has landed on Timashevskaya airfield.

Ota

Andreas Brekken · #24 7th April 2008, 13:05

Andreas Brekken · #25 7th April 2008, 13:07

Hi, Ota

Thanks for the information with regards to the Slovak pilots. I am going to update accordingly.

Regards,
Andreas B

Andreas Brekken · #26 7th April 2008, 13:25

Brian Bines · #27 7th April 2008, 15:23

Hello Ota,

Thanks for the information like Andreas this is not my field , but identifying any missing airmen who has served their country always interests me,

Regards

Brian

Hochsitz · #28 7th April 2008, 19:57

Hey,
in my Documents i find WNR 16259 in http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ighlight=16259
to other accident.

Can I help you with this link ?

Andreas Brekken · #29 7th April 2008, 20:18

Hi

Yes, I also have this record, and it is not the only aircraft that seemingly has been lost as a total loss repeatedly.

However, in this case I would suspect an erronous report by JG 52, and that the real WNr is 19259 or 19256.

Has anyone got the NVM for this loss?

Regards,
Andreas B

Tomislav Haramincic · #30 7th April 2008, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hochsitz

Hey,
in my Documents i find WNR 16259 in http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ighlight=16259
to other accident.

Can I help you with this link ?

Yes, this is very likely an error. Dobrovodsky's G-4 should be WNr.19259.

@ Andreas
Here are my loss detail on the Wnrs. mentioned by you in the previous posts. I hope it will add some information to your database.

Bf 109G-6 WNr.15872 01.09.43 2./JG52 Fw. Helmut Kabisch (verm.), Luftkampf mit Il-2 - Absturz, Pl.Qu.8818 (10km SÖ Mospino) - 100% sw.15+
Bf 109G-6 WNr.15903 05.09.43 6./JG52 Oblt. Heinz Schmidt (Stkp) (verm.), Luftkampf mit Il-2 - Absturz, Kotelwa-Senkow (Pl.Qu. 41734) - 100% ge.7+−
Bf 109G-6 WNr.19881 14.09.43 Stab/JG52 Fw. Gerhard Willmanns (verm.), Luftkampf mit 2 LaGG, SW Turkenowka - 100% ws.10+
Bf 109G-6 WNr.15972 14.09.43 1./NAGr.2 Oblt. Werner Lüchau (verm.), Luftkampf, Pl.Qu.3155 - 100% ws.2+
Bf 109G-6 WNr.15860 25.09.43 3./JG52 Uffz. Johann Sommer (verm.) (†), Luftkampf mit 4 Jägern, 3km Blagoweschtschenskoje - 100% ge.14+

Bf 109G-6 WNr.19715 30.09.43 1./NAGr.2 Oblt. Emil Konrad (verm.), Motorstörung, Bol.-Tokmak - 100% ws.2+
Bf 109G-4 WNr.19233 02.10.43 11./JG51 Uffz. Günter Nikolau (verm.), unbekannte Ursache, Raum Alexandria - 100% sw.3++
Bf 109G-4 WNr.16663 03.10.43 12./JG51 Lt. Gerd Hoffmann (verm.), Luftkampf, N Ssoloschino - 100% br.1++
Bf 109G-6 WNr.20400 07.10.43 6./JG52 Fw. Robert Schandlbauer (verm.), Luftkampf - Bauchlandung, Michoriw Rog (Pl.Qu.49321) - 100% ge.13+−
Bf 109G-6 WNr.20658 08.10.43 3./JG52 Fw. Peter Schuhbauer (verm.), Luftkampf über See, N Taman (Pl.Qu.66622)- 100% ge.1+

Bf 109G-6 WNr.20758 08.10.43 7./JG52 Uffz. Heinz Martin (verm.) (†), Luftkampf mit Jäger, in die See N Kertsch - 100% sw.<1+~
Bf 109G-6 WNr.20666 12.10.43 1./JG52 Obgefr. Heinrich Denker (†), Luftkampf - Absturz, 30km Ö Nowo Saporoshje - 100% ws.8+
Bf 109G-6 WNr.15695 13.10.43 7./JG52 Uffz. Gottfried Wundke (verm.), Luftkampf, Nowo Saporoshje - 100% ws.2+~
Bf 109G-6 WNr.410016 13.10.43 9./JG52 Uffz. Karl-Otto Haack (verm.), Luftkampf, Nowo Saporoshje - 100% ge.12+~
Bf 109G-4 WNr.19971 15.10.43 6./JG52 Gefr. Jürgen Dinius (verm.) (†), Luftkampf, Pl.Qu.10111 - 100% ge.4+−

Bf 109G-6 WNr.15835 27.10.43 1./NAGr.2 Uffz. Heinz Zähnel (†), unfreiwillige Bodenberührung - Absturz, N Sjewidschenko - 100% ws.8+
Bf 109G-6 WNr.15876 11.10.43 10./JG51 Uffz. Helmut Neu (verm.), Zusammenstoss in der Luft mit Bf109G-6 WNr.27 137, Pl.Qu.0632 (bei Newel) - 100% ws.5++

best regards,
Tomislav

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