looking for info on HE-111 losses over Holland, 10th may 1940

[mathieu]

Hei kiwi 123,

Kuipers and Venema did not fly the 302, but the 319. It was one of the 2 G.1's that landed on Waalhaven, the other one being the 312 with P. Noomen as pilot.

Best regards,

Mathieu

www.fokker-g1.nl

[kiwi123]

I've collated the numbers fromhttp://www.bhummel.dds.nl/gif/3JaVAWH.html

302 Om 3.51 gestart, schoot twee He-111s neer en beschadigde een derde; met beschadigde motor op Waalhaven geland, kon niet meer starten. Piloot J.P.Kuipers voegde zich met schutter J.R.Venema bij de opstelling van het 51e Pel.Lu.Mitr.. Vlak ten noorden van Waalhaven. Venema sneuvelt hier. Kuipers ontsnapt 's nachts in een roeiboot naar de noordelijke Maasoever..

[kiwi123]

Hi Jaap, thanks for your reply ! The reason I post the image is because I would like it to be as accurate as possible (I basically have a few days left before I need to finish it). The idea is that this depicts the bombers returning home after bombing waalhaven. Why wouldn't they fly back in formation (as that would still give maximum protection with their crossfire) ?

[Jaap Woortman]

Originally Posted by kiwi123

Hi Jaap, thanks for your reply ! The reason I post the image is because I would like it to be as accurate as possible (I basically have a few days left before I need to finish it). The idea is that this depicts the bombers returning home after bombing Waalhaven. Why wouldn't they fly back in formation (as that would still give maximum protection with their crossfire) ?

I can understand your idea, but what about the 7 pcs 7,5 cm LuA(AAA, Flak) around Waalhaven? Maybe they have re-assembled after the attack in close formation but that must have been not over the direct area around Rotterdam. Maybe re-assembling over Brabant. By the way Rockanje-Hellevoetsluis is south-west of Rotterdam and that is not the direction you have to fly if you want to go to Germany.
But of course it is the liberty of the painter! I was not there!

Jaap

[mathieu]

@ Kiwi,

There always has been confusion about what happened when and were!
The last years many photos emerged via Ebay and together with help of books like mr Malan wrote I think we are allowed to say ( no 100% of course) that Kuipers flew the 319. Venema got killed when he tried to leave the aircraft after he had returned to the aircraft to pick up the machine gun. There are published 2 articles in the newsletter from the Fokker G.1 association about the 319, when I come home from Nigeria I'll scan them for you.

Best regards,

Mathieu

www.fokker-g1.nl

[Skyraider3D]

Maybe somebody can confirm or deny... did the Dutch AAA defenses look as displayed (dense, black puffs)? I would expect less AAA, more light calibre (tracers rather than puffs) and the 40mm Bofors to have smaller, lighter coloured puffs. Currently it reminds me of 88mm flak over Germany.

[kiwi123]

The final result:
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/ontheprowl.jpg

This is a depiction of the Fokker G.I.a 312 flown by P. Noomen with H. de Vries as gunner. It started as first G.I.a during the bombardment of Waalhaven (Rotterdam) airbase on the 10th of May, 1940. After shooting down 2 Heinkel 111s it landed back at Waalhaven with a punctured fuel tank and the right engine stopped.
The closest Heinkel is 5J+DA, of stab KG4, which belly landed in St. Annapolder with one crew member killed. The geschwaderkommodore Oberst Fiebig and everyone else in the crew were captured unhurt.

Thanks everyone for their help !

[Skyraider3D]

Great stuff Wiek, and great research everyone else too!