Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to Tomas Prusa, over on modelforum.cz, here is maybe another piece of evidence in the growing "JGr 300" file:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://modelforum.cz/download/file.p...6432&mode=view

"Gelbe 6" has all the Erla built Bf 109 G-10 features (small wing bumps, long tail wheel) and this is the best close-up of the Blue-white-blue RV band with the short II Gruppe bar across it we have so far. Thanks to Neil's excellent summary here, we now are more in the picture about JGr 300, the result of the amalgamation of II. and III./JG 300 in late April 1945 (Luftflottenkommando 6 ORB, 3 May 1945):
http://falkeeins.blogspot.ch/2012/08...pril-1945.html

Any ideas as to where this shot was taken?

Cheers
Marc

[ChristianK]

Hi Marc,

nice find! This one was captured at Neubiberg, attached you find two additional photos. The first one from a veteran site, the other from a Kagero volume (Ju 88 Vol.3 I think).

Regards,
Christian

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hallo Christian,

Excellent, great to know where this machine was found! Thanks for the two other pics: the first one I have already posted on Flickr, I will add the second one.

Cheers and thanks!
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

The more I fiddle with this pic, the more I get the impression we might have as much as two JGr 300 Bf 109 G-10 and K-4...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Hard to be definitive about it: the print quality is too blurry...

Cheers
Marc

[Nick Beale]

The IWM collection has the same scene from a slightly different angle (see attached crop, adjusted for shadows/highlights) although I don't recall ever seeing it published. The one marking you can see clearly is second from the right, apparently "white 5" with a JG 27 fuselage band.

[Jochen Prien]

Nick,

I think I have it published and duly attributed oit top the I.W.M. in the pictorial unit history of Stab and I/JG 27, which came out some 13 years ago.

Regards

Jochen

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Many thanks, Nick!
Great to have a much better quality shot from this hangar in Bremen. Do you know where to trace the second picture in such a crisp quality? This would give a better information for "Schwarze 8" and "Weisse 13".

Jochen,
Yes, you do have duly published it, and credited it to the IWM, on p. 502 of your opus. I found the same shot on the AWM website, and thus elected to have it posted for the sake of information. If you still have the original file, I would love to hear your opinion especially about "Schwarze 8" as I doubt that the brilliance of "Weisse 13"'s fuselage will shed much light.

Thanks to both
Marc

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Do you know where to trace the second picture in such a crisp quality?
Marc

Sorry but no. I bought the print I have from IWM maybe 25 years ago and I don't remember that there was more than one version (although surely both were taken at the same time, weren't they?).

P.S. apologies to Jochen for not remembering his publication of the photo.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks anyway Nick, and a special thanks for your generous sharing of this excellent shot!

And yes, they were certainly taken the same day: the same water pool is under "Schwarze 8"...

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to Peter D. Evans, over on LEMB, there might be fresh food for thought about the unknown training unit which trained the Italian pilots of I. Gruppo Caccia ANR, and the aborted III. Gruppo Caccia ANR in early 1945:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...opic=15903&hl=

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

This pic shows a Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. unknown "Rote (?) 47" from this unknown training unit. Note also in the background "Schwarze 33", maybe also from this same unit (or an EJG 1 plane like those at Mühldorf and Maxglan?). Started by Franck, a thread was already devoted to the identification of this unit in TOCH:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archiv...p?t-23517.html
It's fantasy designation of JFS 14 could be definitely put to rest by Ferdinando and Nick as a blatant case of misinterpretation, and the FFS B 1 unit designation has been suggested but not confirmed. At the hand of those two new machines, is there any further suggestion or information?
Cheers
Marc