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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Great, Robert! Thank You very mutch!
We will find it together, I beleive... Are there in Web aviable sourse about airwar over Holland? Or some books? |
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Hi,
another I/ZG1 kill is Fokker T-V from BomVA No.855 shot down over North Sea at 06... in the morning. Also Fokker D-XXI No. 2-1 JAVA no.216 was shot down by Bf110 some time earlier (05...) and crashed near to Den Deyl. On the 11.05.40 Bf110s shot down another T-V from BomVA No.850 and two D-XXI, this time from 2-2 JAVA, no.229 (c/l) and 213. Regards Robert |
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The author Ab A. Jansen wrote most of the titles you are after. Fliegerhorst Schiphol, Wespennest Leeuwarden en Sporen aan de Hemel. Also Nooit was het Stil, records much of the fighting over the Netherlands. These (multi volume) books together would give you a pretty good history on the air fighting over my native country. EDIT: for the fighting prior and during the 1940 invasion, Luchtverdediging and Illusies en Incidenten are a must.
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Robert: incredible info, but we dont know dates of I./ZG 1 claims...
But even if this could be found, is it impossible to find earlier notes of unit? Are there alive veterans of I./ZG 1? Does they hav theyr oun memorybooks? .... So hard there in West... Ruy - is it possible to find it & translate it? How can anybody caould purchase even scans or copyes of those books? With best wishes, Evgenij.
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Why? I showed one example above describing 5th Sept. and the mission flown by 112 eskadra. Next example: according to Cynk German records are confirming (?!) the loss of a He 111 of I./KG 152 shot down by 123 eskadra over Warsaw on the 5th. In fact this bomber was shot down 100 km`s away from Warsaw by Polish AA. Another example: 6 He 111`s of II./LG 1 shot down by Polish fighters in the morning of 1th Sept. Pretendendly confirmed by German documents (sic!?). But in fact such documents do not exist. The existing documents are confirming the loss of 1 He 111 + 1 He 111 belly landed (sic!). As well in GQM records, known to Mr. Cynk (sic!). Quote:
From the beginning of the war German Bf 109`s and Bf 110`s flew in sections of 2 (Rotte). This is not a secret. You can find this information in my book Jagdflieger (appendixes, experiences of German units). As I wrote earlier Polish combat reports are useless regarding particular German aircraft types. German records are not confirming what you would like to have. Quote:
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Cheers. Marius |
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Robert,
This is what I have at present: 600 Squadron, Manston Attack on Waalhaven airfield: Blenheim IF L1335. Shot down by Bf110s of I./ZG1 12.05 p.m. S/L J. M. Wells, Cpl B. A. Kidd killed. Sgt. Davis captured. Aircraft BQ*R lost. Blenheim IF L1401. Shot down by Bf110s of I./ZG1 12.05 p.m. P/O R. W. H. Echlin killed. F/O J. H. C. Rowe captured. Aircraft BQ*K lost. Blenheim IF L1514. Shot down by Bf110s of I./ZG1 12.05 p.m. F/O C. R Moore, Cpl. L. D. Isaacs killed. Aircraft BQ*W lost. Blenheim IF L1515. Shot down by Bf110s of I./ZG1 12.05 p.m. P/O M. H. Anderson, LAC H. C. W. Hawkins killed. Aircraft BQ*L lost. Blenheim IF. Crashlanded in Holland damaged by Bf110s of I./ZG1 12.05 p.m. P/O R. C. Haine, P/O M. Kramer unhurt. Aircraft BQ*N lost. These aircraft were all fitted with IFF, and the prospect of the device falling into enemy hands caused much concern at HQ Fighter Command. Blenheim IF. Returned damaged by Bf110s of I./ZG1 12.05 p.m. F/O T. N. Hayes, Cpl. G. H. Holmes unhurt. Aircraft BQ*O damaged. 604 Squadron, Northolt Escort for No.110 Sqdn to Waalhaven: Blenheim IF L1517. Forced-landed on beach at Scheveningen 5.30 p.m. If anyone can add anything to this I would be grateful. |
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Thnk You very mutch, Peter!!!!
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With best wishes, Evgenij.
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When a thread has developed into an argument between two members, I must ask those two members to conduct the argument in private or at least change the tone of said argument so it can continue as a civilized discussion.
Please take note of my second request.
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Hello all,
On 10 May 40 because of the heavy Ju 52 transport movements near Waalhaven/Rotterdam 600 Squadron detailed 6 Blenheims IF to this target. At low level the airfield was attacked and one Ju 52 of KGr zbV 172 was set on fire. At the very same time a formation of Ju 52s headed for Waalhaven. These were escorte by Me 110's of 2. and 3./ZG 1. Very heavy dogfights started - only one Blenheim (piloted by F/O Hayes) managed to escape and return. The others were shot down by the Me110's. The claims were made by: Oblt Werner Streib 1 Fw Paul Gildner 1 Uffz Müller 2 Oblt Möller 1 Other sources also mention Leutnant Knacke with one claim - he flew in the Schwarm of Streib, Gildner and Müller. Regards Rob |
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