Ace vs. Ace

[drgondog]

Rob - more food for thought on 'aces' versus aces form 355FG.

354FS Capt Robert Woody (7 air - 4.5 in one day) shot down a pilot described as very skilled in the Eschwege area in direction of Nordhausen around 1015 which would closely match Otto Wessling from JG3 on 19 April, 1944.

357FS Hank Bille (6 air) and Les Minchew (5.5 air) and Gerald Dix 355HQ (4 air/3 ground) all had claims on 109s in Augsberg/Regensburg/Munich area in big air battle N of Munich in 1320-1345 time frame with a near certaintly that one of them shot down Schwaiger from JG3.. most likely Dix.

Either 354FS Henry Brown (14.2 air) or Norm Fortier (5.83 air) likely shot down Herman Freiherr Kapp-herr GpKdr II./JG3 in Munich area in 1350-1410 timeframe - all on 24 April 1944.

358FS Lt James McElroy (5 air) shot down Lt Ernst Erich Hirschfeld JG300 in a Fw190 and then a 109 on 28 July, 1944 in Merseburg/Naumburg/Erfurt area. (edit thx to Eric Brown)

One of the 357FS pilots Cullerton (5 air/15 ground) Elder (8 air/13 ground) or Bille (6 air/4 ground) shot down Ltn Buschmann JG3 on 16 August 1944 in Hildescheim area.

Regards,

Bill

[Evgeny Velichko]

Originally Posted by Nokose

Eugen, on the victory of Rall over Fadeyev on 05May43. How was the time problem solved as the translator didn't give a clear idea? The time put on the thread for take off of 16 GIAP was 13:50 (Moscow time) with return at 15:15. Rall's time was 12:09 (Berlin).

Take Berlin time and +2 hours - You will have Moskow time.

Rall's claim is 100% confirmed. Many russian historyans say this.

BTW: Is it possible to let herr Rall know about personality of a pilot who died from his fire?

Fadeev's P-39 took hits, and he was heavy injured. He was able to make emerj.landing in swamp, but died from wounds before get medical help.

Book on P-39 on East front, some info about Fadeev included.
http://www.amazon.com/P-39-Airacobra.../dp/1841762040

He flew from 08.1941 to spring of 1942 on I-16, then - from 05.42 to 05.43 - in 16 GvIAP in Yak-1 and P-39. He had 17 + 3 (shared) victories. All exept 2 (Ju88 and Ju87) are Bf109's.

[Nokose]

Eugen, Thanks for that info it helps with some of the claims found on Tony Woods list and the losses found in "Dragons on Bird Wings" for the Crimea in 1944. For some reason there they seemed to use Berlin time instead of the way they had used it else where. Course we will have to wait to Dr. Prien's volume for that time to get the full claims.

[Evgeny Velichko]

Full claims of what? Only JG units?

I search for a long time SKG 210 claims, but... It seems it is impossible to find. Also as Erpr.Gr.210 claims...

P.S. About Il-2 ace and Zerstoere ace:

Efimov vs Blechschmitt. 13 07 43. I'll traslate all what I have about this fight from russian sourses... It is not clear, but... very near that Efimov was a victor, not Normandie pilot.

[kb]

Glenn Duncan CO, 353FG shot down Major. Weissenberger, Kdr. I/JG5 on 12 June 1944.

hi, again ROB,one point, in this fight dundas vs wick, a sgt klien,was missing,too, as for my opinion, a RAF pilot,es marrs,claimed a plane.
presumed german who shot down a RAF officer watson,down e marrs,went after this german plane,for revenge,he claimed it blew up under his fire,the pilot bailed out, before,,i think this was a sgt klein,he attacked, as it was well dark at 4pm 5pm bst.one or the other, as i went around isle wight years ago at that time it was dusk ,nearly.as i think,it was kllein.a spit in the dark resembles a 109 .at a distance,i might be on a winner , as for there were no other german aircraft lost apart from wicks,well mis ID "does happen, and friendly fire,can be to blame,)well one to ponder, on,
cheers gary great reading,mat.

Originally Posted by Primoz

Here's another one from WW1: Manfred von Richthofen vs. Lanoe Hawker in 1916

i believe,the red barons 11th victory,the red baron had his vickers gun as a trophy and sent home in his room,some might say grusume but the red baron,was a hunter,and ive read his books, and says the trophys hed" kept" were, a memento,of his victorys,and his mum says manfred would cry at times and say i wish it would end,and as saying i dont think i will last very much longer ,this was in march 1918,he was due for some leave,but his duty,was to his country,and his sqn mates,,a true pilot.
gary,