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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
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The date is wrong, must be 03.01.1943 11.01.1943 He 111 H-6 4./ KG 27 1G + FP 4553 Groundcontact in landing at Ptomnik 100% Oltn. Albert Gropp 31.07.1915 + Uffz. Josef Dischl 04.12.1918 + Uffz. Herbert Klein 08.02.1920 WIA Uffz. Ernst Lenniger 05.09.1921 + Uffz. Ludwig Decker 25.04.1´922 WIA 13.01.1943 He 111 H-6 6./ KG 27 1G + GP 4948 Supplyflight for Stalingrad Crash short after Take-off in Nowotscherkassk 100% Ofw. Herbert Thiele 08.08.1913 + Uffz. Karl Larsen 08.07.1922 + Uffz. Hans Tunger 14.04.1919 + Uffz. Kutz Hichler 15.04.1920 + Uffz. Erich Burger 19.07.1920 + 15.01.1943 He 111 H-6 5./ KG 27 1G + MN 4869 Rubeshnyj Supplyflight to Stalingrad Crash after Fighter attack 100% Oltn. hans Röbbing 15.06.1920 MIA Ogfr. Fritz Gourlt 21.02.1918 MIA Uffz. Kurt Baradoy 29.07.1919 MIA Ofw. Erich Sommer 19.10.1913 MIA Uffz. Heinz Witte 01.02.1917 MIA 17.01.1943 He 111 H-14 5./KG 27 7906 fighter attack, stating no possible, abandoners in Pitomnik 100% 18.01.1943 He 111 H-16 7./ KG 27 8207 Fighter attack 40% abandoned in Gumrak 20.01.1943 He 111 H-6 1./ KG 27 Belly Laning 40% Abandoned in Gumrak 22.01.1943 He 111 H-6 4./ KG 27 1G + JM 7870 Force landing in Gumrak 25% Abandoned 23.10.1943 He 111 H-6 1./ KG 27 1G + HU 7360 Crash short before landing in Nowotscherkassk 100% Oltn. Johann Herzog 17.11.1920 + Uffz. Georg Zwink 10.05.1919 + Uffz. Richard Fink 05.05.1917 + Ogfr. helmut Bellmann 15.04.1921 + Ofw. Willi Zimmermann 17.01.1916 + 24.01.1943 He 111 H-16 9./ KG 27 1G + FT 8192 AA-fire 30%, Landing in Nowotscherkassk FF Oltn Günther Schuldt 03.08.1920 WIA Ogfr. Helmut Voß 19.01.1921 Ogfr. Moser Oltn. Schuldt came to Lazarett Lw 7/ IV in Taganrog and commits suicide 18.01.1943 24.01.1943 He 111 H-16 8./ KG 27 1G + BS 8220 Supply Flight to Stalingrad AA-Fire 40% Fw Frank Fw. Heinz Nowak Uffz. Tillberg Uffz. Juhre Regards Rüdiger |
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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
Rudiger, thanks for putting these on a big help with my list, giving details that are hard to read on GQM.
As regards books on Stalingrad has anybody read 'Fighters over Stalingrad vol.1' and does it contain loss lists ? I believe Vol.2 will cover the Airlift is there a date of when it will be published, Brian Bines |
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I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
Rudiger
Thank you very much indeed for the additional information concerning these losses, the detail is much appreciated. Brian With regards to 'Fighters Over Stalingrad' Vol 1, without any reviews posted on Amazon (or indeed anywhere else that I can find) is the book worth having from both the Russian and German perspective? or is it mainly from the Russian viewpoint? Regards Richard. |
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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
It is difficult to find the review of the book that has not been released yet.
The book will stick more to the perspective of fighters activities, both Soviet and German, as it is announced in the title. It will contain complete (I hope)loss list for Germans, with some corrections from Soviet side documents and loss list of Soviet fighters, more than 1200 entries. |
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I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
Nikita, I will certainly be purchasing a copy of the book upon release, thank you for the information.
In my haste I had the impression it had be released already! Regards Richard. |
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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
Nikita for vol.1 Amazon has 'Temporarily out of stock' so assumed the book had been available, could you advise when it will be coming out please,
Thanks Brian Bines |
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Richard and Brian,
I hope to hand over the manuscript by the end of the year. This is all I can advise by now. As regards to one of the He-111 in question, namely w.n. 4883. Its pilot Uffz. Kahler got captured. He told that the mission was to supply surrounded troops in Sidorovskiy area. That means he flew not to Stalingrad cauldron. Plane was shot down by AA fire in Kantemirovka area. Kahler bailed out, others perished. |
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Thanks Nikita, look foward to getting your books when they come out,
Cheers Brian Bines |
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I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
In dotting the 'I's etc on this research piece.
Does anyone know who held the position of Staka 3./Kampfgeschwader 27 "Boelcke" during the Stalingrad air-lift period of operations? As always, the information will be gratefully received. Regards Richard. |
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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply
This is out of commanders compilation from about a decade ago, so it is a bit questionable:
Stakas of 3./KG 27: Hptm. Joachim Petzold (DKG) (21.05.42 - 22.11.42). Hptm. Fritz Zollweg (22.11.42 - 31.07.43). While books about the Stalingrad airlift have be few, but about to be released are: To Save An Army: The Stalingrad Airlift Hardcover – November 8, 2022 by Robert Forsyth and Hitlers Air Bridges: the Luftwaffe's Supply Operations of the Second World War by Degtev Dmitry and Zubov Dmitry. https://www.whsmith.co.uk/products/h...526789938.html both in English!! And mainly about personnel, has many many details of various air supply ops: Möbius Ingo; Jürgen Huss Stille Adler - Die Ritterkreuzträger der Transportflieger 1940 - 1945 (Chemnitz:Westermann Druck Zwickau, 2019). ISBN: 978-3-9821020-0-9. Much new material to chew on. |
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