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Just commented on this in the photostream but I'll repeat it here, I rather believe WNF for three reasons:
1. Camouflage looks more like WNF than Erla 2. I believe that by the summer of 1944 Erla used the tall tails on their G-6's 3. The setup looks different from the photos I've seen from Erla taken in 1943. Cheers! / Anders |
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And last move for tonight: I've created a JGr 300 set in order to regroup all pictures known to me illustrating the effective application of the short horizontal black bar on the blue white blue RV bands, according to the order issued 26 April (!) 1945.
There are all told six different machines: 1. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown "Gelbe 1", JGr 300, Germany, April 1945. Source: ebay.de. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917 2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150 816 "Schwarze 4", JGr 300, Langensalza, June 1945. Source: LEMB Forum. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917 3. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr 49x xxx "Schwarze 1", JGr. 300, Germany, May 1945. Source: Hildebrandt 1989, p. 3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57632486398923 4. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown "Gelbe 6", JGr 300, Neubiberg, Germany, May 1945. Source: Ebay auction. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57632486398923 5. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 49. .06 "Schwarzer Winkel", JGr 300, Germany, May 1945. Source: Ebay auction. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57632486398923 6. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown, "Blaue 2", Fw. Josef Umminger, 16./JG 300 with JGr 300 horizontal bar, Buchau, 8 May 1945. Source: Collection Hesse, Luftwaffe im Focus Spezial no 3, Photo 60. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57632486398923 Looking for an other one;-)) Cheers Marc |
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Cheers Marc |
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About Bf109G-10 "Blaue 2" I believe 16./JG300 aircraft had indeed blue numerals but not with white outline. I believe the only staffel with a medium color numeral that has a white outline would be 11./JG300. If that's the case it's in other words an ex 11./JG300 a/c marked Green 2.
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You sure of that, Anders? If yes, I will correct the LiF caption;-))
Cheers Marc |
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I would want to check through my references more but as I recall, neither I nor IV gruppe used any outlines at all on their numerals.
/Anders |
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Great to have your feedback, Anders!
Cheers Marc |
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Of interest in those photos are the ailerons, all visible have Flettner tabs. A number of machines received those in late 1943, but camo doesn't match the one applied in WNF at the time. |
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Thanks for your input, the_ivan!
Cheers Marc |
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Folks,
A fresh look at this well known picture, recently proposed for sale on Ebay (http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...opic=14798&hl=, post 54) http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631641014196 allows to tie down the location of another Ebay photo found on 21 December 2012 (same thread, post no 35): http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7631641014196/ Source: http://www.ebay.de/i...G-/121041866289 It is actually the machine seen half hidden under camouflage nets in the background above the rear fuselage of Bf109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 265. Notice the same spinner and blades orientation and the two wooden beams to be seen hanging diagonally to the right of the plane's left wing. There is thus a high chance this is another Bf109K-4. A closer look at the camouflage nets makes me also think this is not only a single hardstand camouflage but the front part of an underwood alley, possibly the final assembly area where Mtt-"Bürg" (shortening for the Flossenbürg KZ fuselage production line) fuselages and Altenhammer wings were mated. this could also tie down the location of this Mtt-"Bürg" fuselage row hidden on a forest track (Holzrückerweg) shown in two pictures published in: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592 Source: Hideki Noro 2009, "LO+ST", p.103 http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625380126592/ Source: Janowicz 2010, p.58 No certitude on my side, but just trying to tie down those loose ends of sometimes well known pictures not yet put in their proper context... Cheers Marc |
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