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20th March 2024, 10:29
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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1511
39. At 08:00 hours on 5 May 1945, the German capitulation of all Wehrmacht forces in Germany and Denmark went into effect. Elements of the RAF Regiment in jeeps and light trucks raced ahead of British ground forces to secure airfields that had been identified as holding the latest German aircraft innovations. The most distant was Grove-Karup, Denmark, whose units surrendered on 7 May. This photo shows the kit bags of exhausted, but armed, British soldiers piled in front of an Arado Ar 234 B-2b in a hangar at Grove. My Google interpreter says the "No Smoking" warnings in this picture are in German and Swedish. http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1517 40. In all, six Arado Ar 234 Bs were captured intact at Grove, all of them recce B-2bs, five of them from 1.(F)/33. According to the Luftwaffe Wiki website, these had been transferred from Schleswig-Land [Jagel], Germany by 5 May 1945. In this photo, three of the Arados (W.Nr. 140466, 140467 and 140486) can be seen lined up in their original markings. Because of unauthorized flights in Germany, surrendered aircraft were to be disabled. It was relatively easy to remove propellers from piston-engined aircraft. Removing rudders from jets took longer. 
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#42
20th March 2024, 11:20
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or possibly 'rögning forbudt' (the Ö is in Denmark written as an O with a slash) The word Rökning is clearly Swedish while forbudt is in Danish. A small fascinating detail.....thanks Jim  Cheers Stig
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#43
20th March 2024, 13:35
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Hi Jim, this photo of soldiers in a hanger has previously been captioned as in Stavanger-Sola, regards, Chris
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#45
21st March 2024, 10:38
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See my post above Cheers Stig
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#46
27th March 2024, 10:24
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41. In June 1945, the British allocated three recce Arados from Grove-Karup, Denmark, to be handed over to American forces for evaluation. They were designated "USA 5", "USA 6" and "USA 7". According to Samuel, American Raiders, (2004) pp. 291-292, Col. Hal Watson flew "USA 5" and Karl Baur flew "USA 6" out of Grove. Phil Butler, in War Prizes, (Crecy, 2022), p. 215, identifies Arado Ar 234 B-2b W.Nr. 140489 "8H+EH" as "USA 5" and the other two as W.Nr. 140486 "8H+FH" and W.Nr. 140467 "8H+BH". Photographic evidence will show that Watson, indeed, flew "EH" and Baur flew "BH". This photo shows W.Nr. 140489 in its original markings at Grove. http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1519 42. On 24 June 145, Col. Harold E. Watson of Watson's Whizzers flew "USA 5" from Grove to Melun-Villaroche in France via Beauvechain-Le Culot, Belgium, accompanied by Messerschmitt test pilot, Karl Baur, in "USA 6" (leaving "USA 7" behind). At Melun, both recce Arados got a quick make-over in preparation for an inspection by General Carl "Tooey" Spaatz on 27 June 1945, including a coat of olive drab. American markings and Whizzer id's can be seen in this photo. W.Nr. 140489 "USA 5" became "Jane I"/"202" and W.Nr. 140467 "USA 6" became "Snafu I"/"303". Last edited by Karoband; 27th March 2024 at 19:01.
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#47
27th March 2024, 10:41
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43. In this poor photograph of "Jane I", the black "E" of 1.(F)/33 on the nose wheel bracket can just be made out. On 29 June 1945, Hal Watson flew "Jane I" from Melun to Cherboug-Querqueville where it was cocooned in Plastiphane and placed on board HMS Reaper for shipment by sea to the USA as article "11". http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1521 44. On 1 August 1945, HMS Reaper arrived at Newark, New Jersey, where "Jane I" was de-cocooned and allocated to the U.S. Navy's Flight Test Division at Naval Air Station (NAS) Patuxent River, Maryland, as BuAer.No. 121445. It was probably flown from Newark to Patuxent River by the Division's chief test pilot Lt. Najeeb Halaby. The white "FT" was added by the Americans over the olive drab, possibly "Foreign Turbo". forum.12oclockhigh.net/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=1522 45. According to Smith & Creek, Arado Ar 234 Blitz,, (Classic, 2022), p. 311, the U.S. Navy did not test fly their Arados due to a lack of spare parts, especially tyres, missing in this photograph. Both of the Arados given to the U.S. Navy were "struck off charge on Jan. 31, 1946 and scrapped", according to Joe Baugher.
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#48
27th March 2024, 11:33
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Looking at what you say here and below Karl Baur must have flown USA 6 out of Grove and not USA 7 Otherwise things just don't fit Cheers Stig
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#49
27th March 2024, 11:57
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Stig,
You are absolutely right. Somehow in transcribing the information I got it wrong. First, the proper reference in American Raiders is pp. 291-292, and indeed it says Baur flew "USA 6"! Thank you for the catch, Stig! All the best, Jim p.s. I have corrected my blurb in #41. Last edited by Karoband; 27th March 2024 at 19:15.
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#50
30th March 2024, 15:25
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Hi Jim,
Regarding your post #41: This photo is actually taken in Sola-Stavanger. https://digitaltmuseum.no/0210188672...-inne-i-hangar And "Rökning forbudt" is Norwegian. I asked around, and got an answer from a language expert (thanks Ephraim). He says it is Norwegian, in their most common written language, "bokmål". And he gives two other examples of "Rökning forbudt": https://skanfil.no/auksjon/reklame-og-l https://www.europeana.eu/en/item/441/_021017517684 Cheers Hans
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