Photo Nieuport

[Bertrand H]

Hi,

We have TWO

PLAN de SIEYES de VEYNES (de)

Jacques, last rank : lt-col , 21/07/1891-25/06/1949
Jean Louis, last rank :capitaine 23/08/1884- 1977

Jean-Louis, Vincent is "our" man and they are brothers

Bertrand

[jschreiber]

Hello Clint
According to Albin Dénis list ( http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...e_Nieuport.htm ), the 237 belonged to Escadrille N 10 and the 3936 to Escadrille N 57. And the 6265 was probably used by the American Expeditionary Force.
Regards
Jean

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Guys

Can I just put in some words of caution into all this?

The photos on sale (and that goes for all the periods TOCH cover), are mostly undated and also lack where said photos were taken. In many instances we also have to read countless guesses from sellers whose only aim is to get the most out of their sale.

Many of the photos also lack enough clarity for any of us to be 100% certain which actual aircraft we are looking at. A case in point is N940 above. It seems even the seller is not sure regarding this interpretation.

To thus be able to say which unit any aircraft belonged to when the photos we look at were taken, is problematic. Aircraft moved around between units back then as they do today. The lack of documents from all combatants are sadly missed and we need to realise that what we can do is nothing more than a "best guess"

Also a warning about flip sides. We rarely know/find out, who has actually written what we can read. Photographer, relative, former collector, seller? We just don't know.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


First of all thank you Jean for your replies. Ifound your information useful and have added the details to my spreadsheet.


Stig. You are of course correct about the uncertainty factor in aircraft identification.Taken to its logical conclusion I suspect that the only time we can be certain of a unit id/serial tie up is when an aircraft is known for a fact to have served in only one unit or when an aircraft has been shot down and the operator is known.


However, while I sometimes qualify my identifications of units with possibly or probably or some other qualifier on other occasions I am happy to accept the text on the back of photos, its just a case of judgement based on individual cases/sellers. Writing according to the seller, possibly or probably in every case apears long winded and is not something I will be doing unless I'm doubtful of the sellers information.At the end of the day anyone reading a thread is going to have to make their own judgement just as I do,as you do as everyone must for themselves.



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Indeed Clint

I know you are aware of that, but perhaps not everyone else is who reads this.

N237 has also been quoted as being with MS12 at Rosnay 21.8.1915 (photo caption)

N6265 is listed as being among those bought by USA, but it has never appeared in any listing as delivered to any US unit. A note by Toelle says it was in French markings at La Cheppe (no date)

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently available on ebay are two Italian Nieuports.
:


Nieuport 17 Ni 3617


https://www.ebay.it/itm/736-2-WW-I-A...0AAOSwWtZdyFIA



https://www.ebay.it/itm/736-1-WW-I-A...EAAOSwj39dyFG0


Nieuport 27 N.5892 of 83 Squadriglia ?


https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-6-WW-1-A...4AAOSwMDpeSbdx


Regards,


Clint

[Buckeye30]

Hi Clint.
Nieuport 16 A125 Lt. J M J Spencer ( Northumberland Fusiliers) shot down 3 Nov. 1916 ( DOW).
Nieuport 23 B1651 2/Lt H V Caunt ( W. Yorkshire Regt) POW 15 Dec. 1917 near Ypres.

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http://www.airhistory.org.uk/rfc/files/A1-A5000.txt


http://www.airhistory.org.uk/rfc/fil...combined_C.txt


Nick

[Buckeye30]

N1386 was a Nie.16 flown by S/Lt Bucquet N.3 in 1916; the fuselage and wheel covers were reportedly red, no.5 on fuselage and top wing.
Nick

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

N1386 was a Nie.16 flown by S/Lt Bucquet N.3 in 1916; the fuselage and wheel covers were reportedly red, no.5 on fuselage and top wing.
Nick

Interesting Nick

Looking at the type digits under the wing, it does not look like a 6 to me, especially when comparing with the 6 in the serial number.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Nick, Stig,


Thank you both for the responses . I have to concur with Stig, the type number definitely does not look like 16. Have I read the serial number correctly?


Regards,


Clint