Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by rediron

Hi.
A comment on the first photo that shows in the link -Nice picture of a Bf with two pllots sitting on the fowling but perhaps more importantly the guy in back is Erich Hartmann.
Later
Rediron

Rediron,

Welcome down there. But instead of giving the general link, are you able to give the picture you're talking about link?

It will be better for all members and will help them to understand your meaning.

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

If not mistaken, Rediron, you're talking about this picture which, to my knowledge, does show Lt. Troebs from 1./NAGr 12 in Mostar. Here is the full caption of that pic, and sorry, Franck, I can't post the link from my smartphone... You'll find it easily in the Mostar set...

Bf 109 G-6/R2/Trop W.Nr. unknown "Weisse ?", Lt. Troebs, 1./NAGr. 12, Mostar, Spring 1944. Source: Collection Troebs via Mombeek 1997, p. 116.

Now which guy is Hartmann?

Cheers
Marc

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

If not mistaken, Rediron, you're talking about this picture which, to my knowledge, does show Lt. Troebs from 1./NAGr 12 in Mostar. Here is the full caption if that pic, and sorry, Franck, I can't post the link from my smartphone... You'll find it easily in the Mostar set...

Bf 109 G-6/R2/Trop W.Nr. unknown "Weisse ?", Lt. Troebs, 1./NAGr. 12, Mostar, Spring 1944. Source: Collection Troebs via Mombeek 1997, p. 116.

Now which guy is Hartmann?

Cheers
Marc

Hi, I just went back and researched.photos of Hartmann, and I believe I was mistaken. At first look, it sure looked like him. Yes, that is the photo, and I am sorry for the mistake. The post was based on looks, not on knowledge. Of his location at the time. There is an excellent biography out there called "The Blond Knight of Germany". GREAT book.Later

[ouidjat]

Ah the first and only photo which appears when NOT loginin!!!
I look for a fowling ....
OK.
The man back is most probably Troebs Wart, No? But Hartmann, no way.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Gang,

Here, thanks to Peter D. Evans over on LEMB , a freshly found Bf 109 G-14 picture:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shot-up-and-...-/271253003377

Two Bf 109 G can be seen. The front one is, given it's camouflage, a WNF built Bf 109 G-14, W.Nr. 51x xxx "Weisse 7", 1./JG 3 (note the thin red tailband behind the Balkenkreuz)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9444551601/

The second is a Mtt-Regensburg built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 782 482 "Weisse 20" (?), 5./JG 3 (The thin red tailband is fully seen).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

I./JG 3 and II./JG 3 ended up in May 1945 at Leck, near Hamburg. The seller of this picture also sports another pic of British soldiers of the Welsh Regiment, which 4 and 5 Battalion were effectively deployed at war's end in the area of Hamburg. It is thus probable that both planes were in effect found at Leck. Any confirmation would be highly appreciated!

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Nice pictures Marc.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks, Franck! Wishing to have one like this ever day;-))

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

In the slowly building-up of the white triangle atop the rudder marking on some late-war Bf 109's, I just found this picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9645958710/

Pilot is said to be Oskar Wehner, place is next to Fulda, date April 1945. My guess is that this is a NAGr Bf 109 G-6/R2 or G-8. An confirmation/details most welcome!

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi folks,

Thanks to two great shots taken at Bayreuth-Bindlach by US Signal Corps after 14 April 1945, we have a new W.Nr.:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9677908457/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 463 196.

So far, I know of NAGr. Bromberg and its mixed complement of Bf 109 G-6/R2 and G-8. There is another picture of an abandoned Bf 109 K-4 from the W.Nr. 330 xxx - 331 xxx batch:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631646235608

Given it's yellow small tail band, this plane was affected to an unidentified Erg.JG. It is probably the same plane which can be seen still in its initial dispersal position on this pic, currently available on eBay (thanks Peter!):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

Now we have this new Bf 109 G-14. Question: which were the units known to be stationed in Bayreuth-Bindlach in the Spring of 1945?

Thanks for your insights!
Marc

[S Sheflin]

Hello Marc,

First I want to thank you for all of your hard work on these Bf109 photos.

Regarding the Bf109 wreck photographed at Bayreuth-Bindlach:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/9677908457/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

I commented earlier on this aircraft over on the LEMB. I am very interested in how you concluded that this aircraft was from the Erla-built 46XXXX series?

Please note that its Werknummer is applied in the mid-fin/rudder position (my designation = Position 3) in which one digit is on the fin and five are on the rudder. Also, visible under magnification is what I perceive as an extended tail wheel leg.

I did some research in my Bf109 database file. I have 847 Erla-produced Bf109G-14s in my files. Of those for which I have photos (admittedly not the majority), the vast majority have their WNrn. applied on their fin caps (my designation = Position 1). Exactly three had their Werknummern applied in Position 3. Further, when I filtered for Erla-built Bf109G-14s with tall tail wheel legs, I found only one:

Bf109G-14 WNr. 464380, 1+ Y, 5aSq. II°Gr.C., Magg. Bellagambi, Italy 1945.

In my opinion, and unless I have missed some evidence in the photo, it is more likely that this aircraft is an Erla-built Bf109G-10 from the 15XXXX or 49XXXX series.

Steve Sheflin