eBAy: Captured german planes

[edNorth]

eduardo : Yes, Stab.V/KG 25 did exist, eventually (1944)!
I have seen that in records, and it had F (1945).

However there are two versions of code letters out, the other:

The New Luftwaffe Unit Codes

These appear first in March 1939 but were finalized in an order 04.07.1939. The new unit code system was simpler than the old (but had more letters than often reported). It was as follows: The first two letters denoted Geschwader, Gruppe, Staffel or independent unit, the third was individual machine letter (and regularily painted in Staffel or Stab. colour). The fourth denoted basically Stab. or Staffel. The six Stab. indentification letters were (basically):

A - Geschwader Stab. (Green)
B - Stab. I Gruppe (Green)
C - Stab. II Gruppe (Green)
D - Stab. III Gruppe (Green)
F - Stab. IV Gruppe (Green)
G - Stab. V Gruppe (Green)

Other sources state the letter “F” was for V Gruppen as Stabstaffel/KG 26 was known as V/KG 26 before!
Often the fourth letter was painted Black (1H+BF) where the individual letter (here B) was Bright-Green. Late in the war the fourth letter was often used as an special single-Staffeln designator. In this example the unit (KG 26) was apparently using an Stabstaffel of eight Ju 88 A-4 (Radar-equipped) ex-Bombers for Long-Range Reconnaissence or Long-Range Radio homing from October 1944 to May 1945. Others code letters (such as A3+AE) were used as Training codes for KG 200 (the Special Secret Unit) and use of “E” is also known in other instances.

Staffeln / Gruppe indentification letters:

Colour I Gr II Gr III Gr IV Gr V Gr
-------------------------------------------
White 1 H 4 M 7 R 10 U 13 X
Red 2 K 5 N 8 S 11 V 14 Y
Yellow 3 L 6 P 9 T 12 W 15 Z

( 16 Q, 17 J, 18 O, 19 E and 20 I )

If an fourth or fifth Staffeln was added to any Gruppe the colour was Blue and Black respectively. Known use of 16. and 17. Staffel was with KG 40 (Heinkel He 177) but there may have been others. In the early years of the war the Staffel letter U was used for the Training Staffel or Kette (four aircraft) and in some rare cases the fourth letter was omitted altogether.

- Open for debate... Ed

[Eduardo]

Hi ,Ed
This plane was found by the British in 1943 in Tunis, Africa .Are you sure that by that time a fifth grupe exist then??
Eduardo.

[edNorth]

I am not saying that, just the system suggest that, but I am not expert on units He 111´s. However F is kind of strange, can this be 1H+BP (II Gruppen); also I do not find this aircraft in Tunis CEA lists. But thats no proof either.

[Snautzer]

1. Bf109 Yugoslav airforce 1971 https://www.ebay.com/itm/MESSERSCHMI...4AAOSwTEJZ9oOP
2. Ju88 French service http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photographie-...EAAOxyRhBS89DV
3. Fi156 (MS 500) French service http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photographie-...QAAOSw4GVYKEdE
4. Ju52 French service http://www.ebay.fr/itm/CI839-Photogr...SwBUVZ2qz6Ju52
5. Si204 French service http://www.ebay.fr/itm/DQ819-Photogr...UAAOSw2FxZu-Xx
6. Hs126 Devil emblem https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-foto-Flugz...8AAOSwvApZ-N9T

[Eduardo]

Another planes belonging to StabIV/ KG 26
He 111 H-5 (WNr 4049) "1H+AF"
He 111 H-2 (WNr 2649) "1H+BF"
He 111 "1H+CF"
He 111 "1H+GF"
Acording to Alexander Steenbeck in his book.
Eduardo.

[Snautzer]

Fw190D, Ju87G-1 ??+?K, Si204 ??+RJ Ju88 ??+GR (?) Fi103 V1 http://luckysorrentino.com/photography.html

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Snautzer

Fw190D, Ju87G-1 ??+?K, Si204 ??+RJ Ju88 ??+GR (?) Fi103 V1 http://luckysorrentino.com/photography.html

Thanks for this excellent collection of photos, Michiel;

- The Fw 190 D seen on photo #117 is D-9 W.Nr. 631 444, found at Eschwege.
- The same applies for the Ju 87 G's depicted in photos #118 and #119; both landed in Eschwege early in the morning of 8 May 1945, flying in from Norway according to this account:
http://home.earthlink.net/~iversonom/veday1.html

- IMHO, photo 96 shows an Erla built Bf 109 G-14 wreck.

Cheers
Marc

[Jerry Crandall]

Slight correction on the Dora 9. The correct Werknummer is 601444.
Cheers. Jerry

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Jerry for the correction ; much appreciated !

Cheers
Marc

[Snautzer]

FW190 Repro colour https://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-FW...IAAOSw4nhZ~JPT

1. Ju87 https://www.ebay.de/itm/US-Foto-JU-8...YAAOSwyi9Z~ZUX
2. Fw190 RAF emblems https://www.ebay.de/itm/GB-Foto-Beut...cAAOSwEEBZ~Zh6
3. Bf109 desert gelbe 9 (i think repost) https://www.ebay.de/itm/US-Foto-Me-1...kAAOSwoVNZ~GCH
4. Ju88 3C+FR https://www.ebay.de/itm/3-US-Fotos-B...UAAOSwTO9Z~Z-R