Hans Hahn/Maximilian Stotz

[kirche]

Originally Posted by @irnimal

Hi Kirill,
On this same day, from the 233 ShAD, 728 ShAP lort Serzhant Yuriy Viktorovich Volkov (Mia), also in the Rzhev area. Do you know the time of the mission?
Accordin to Tony Wood's list, the only pilot that claimed was Gunther Schack, but that was almost 4 hours before Stotz's claim.

Hello Paulo,
08/10/1942 - 15.52-16.48 - 6 Il-2 mission to destroy batteries at the edge of the forest, which is 2.5 km northeast of Rzhev. Attack 16.16-16.23. While moving away from the target, IL-2 #3401 was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery and anti-aircraft machine guns, exploded, fell 2 km southwest of Timofeevo.
The plane crash site was found in the fall of 2021 in the Timofeevo area.
According to German documents published on the website of the Bundesarchiv, the plane was shot down at 15.40 west of Timofeevo by an 20-mm anti-aircraft gun II Zug. 10 Battarie II./Flakregiment 49 (mot.).

Kirill

[@irnimal]

Originally Posted by kirche

Hello Paulo,
08/10/1942 - 15.52-16.48 - 6 Il-2 mission to destroy batteries at the edge of the forest, which is 2.5 km northeast of Rzhev. Attack 16.16-16.23. While moving away from the target, IL-2 #3401 was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery and anti-aircraft machine guns, exploded, fell 2 km southwest of Timofeevo.
The plane crash site was found in the fall of 2021 in the Timofeevo area.
According to German documents published on the website of the Bundesarchiv, the plane was shot down at 15.40 west of Timofeevo by an 20-mm anti-aircraft gun II Zug. 10 Battarie II./Flakregiment 49 (mot.).

Kirill

Kirill, thank you again for the help.
So it is safe to say that of these 3 losses none was inflicted by Stotz.
i know that 224 ShAD had 3 losses, while operating in the Nasovoye, Myasnikovo, Gorodok area. Can't precise where these areas are.
After making further checking I found that 611 ShAP (at the time still with 224 ShAD) lost Mld. Lt. Ivan Konstantinovich Matyukhin (Mia) in the Vetrino Novosel'e.
Can these losses be traced to Stotz's claim?

[kirche]

Originally Posted by @irnimal

Kirill, thank you again for the help.
So it is safe to say that of these 3 losses none was inflicted by Stotz.
i know that 224 ShAD had 3 losses, while operating in the Nasovoye, Myasnikovo, Gorodok area. Can't precise where these areas are.
After making further checking I found that 611 ShAP (at the time still with 224 ShAD) lost Mld. Lt. Ivan Konstantinovich Matyukhin (Mia) in the Vetrino Novosel'e.
Can these losses be traced to Stotz's claim?

Hello, Paulo
Nosovye (Носовые), Myasikovo (Мясиково), Gorodok (Городок) - This is closer to the place indicated by the German pilot. These are now defunct settlements northeast of Karmanovo 4-10 km (now the southern shore of the Yauza reservoir).
MIA 10.08.1942:
- ml. l-t Matyuhin I.K. (611 ShAP);
- s-t Slobodenko P.P. (611 ShAP);
- Cap. Domuschey N.K. (1 AE 571 ShAP) - hit by anti-aircraft artillery, made an emergency landing in the area of Novo-Aleksandrovskiye vyselki settlement, the pilot was slightly wounded, the plane is under repair.

Mission 611 SHAP - 14.15-15.30 Moscow time; 571 SHAP - there were two missions (the first started at 14.27, the second completed at 18.10).

[@irnimal]

Originally Posted by kirche

Hello, Paulo
Nosovye (Носовые), Myasikovo (Мясиково), Gorodok (Городок) - This is closer to the place indicated by the German pilot. These are now defunct settlements northeast of Karmanovo 4-10 km (now the southern shore of the Yauza reservoir).
MIA 10.08.1942:
- ml. l-t Matyuhin I.K. (611 ShAP);
- s-t Slobodenko P.P. (611 ShAP);
- Cap. Domuschey N.K. (1 AE 571 ShAP) - hit by anti-aircraft artillery, made an emergency landing in the area of Novo-Aleksandrovskiye vyselki settlement, the pilot was slightly wounded, the plane is under repair.

Mission 611 SHAP - 14.15-15.30 Moscow time; 571 SHAP - there were two missions (the first started at 14.27, the second completed at 18.10).

Thank you Kirill.

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

With Günther Schack his Leistungsbuch gives very accurate crash-sites, I would say no doubts about time or place with him, or witness. Also he seems not to include A.S.M claims in his total, unfortunately some of his 1945 claims are vague. But I was able to calculate his total as 171 confirmed.

I should think he was a honest claimer. Kind of went of the rails in the last years of his life.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by Johannes

Hi Guys

With Günther Schack his Leistungsbuch gives very accurate crash-sites, I would say no doubts about time or place with him, or witness. Also he seems not to include A.S.M claims in his total, unfortunately some of his 1945 claims are vague. But I was able to calculate his total as 171 confirmed.

I should think he was a honest claimer. Kind of went of the rails in the last years of his life.

Kind Regards

Johannes

From everything I have seen Schack was indeed a very accurate claimer and as previously mentioned, I got to interview his wingman, Karl-Heinz Nebel who was at that stage (early noughties) saddened that he had dropped out of contact.

[Johannes]

Hi Nick

I don't have all Schack's witnesses names, and indeed the last two were Numbers 136-137 on 25th June 1944, these were Nebel, the only two I have for Nebel, but obviously he could have been witness to many of numbered138-171.

Günther Josten shows(photo) Schack to be absolutely covered in bandages after being badly burnt, but still flying....seems his eyes were spared.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Nokose]

[quote=kirche;325598]08/16/1942 49 IAP had one battle in 8.40 (the first flight). The task of the mission is to cover their troops in the Chern-Dretovo area. 8 La-5s (Zeskin-Spiridenko-Ochagovsky-Steshich-Sorokin-Kolomin-Karagodin-Petrov) fought an air battle with 5 He-111, 8 Me-109 and 1 Ju-87 for 20 minutes. 2 Me-109s damaged. Zeskin shot down one Ju-87 (the fall was confirmed by the commanders of the 523rd IAP and 122nd Rifle Division). Zeskin's plane (La-5 #37210105) is set on fire, the pilot is slightly injured, bailed out. Petrov (La-5 #37210225 ? or 37210111) was hit, made an emergency landing near the village of Saburovshchina, the plane was broken, the pilot was unharmed. Karagodin (La-5 #37210104) did not return from a combat mission (the pilot was captured, during interrogation he incorrectly indicated the regiment number, type of aircraft, a/f site, etc.; he survived in captivity; the plane crash site was found in 2017 near the village Vosty).

On 16 August 1942 air battle the La-5 was probably a new type fighter to the pilots of the JG 54 pilots. The larger engine was probably why they associated it with the Curtiss P-40. They had been use to seeing the P-40 in the Leningrad sector before being assigned to this sector. The LaGG-3 claimed by Stotz is curious claim as it is listed to the west of Flolowskoye (in Prien’s JFV 9/III) and as west of Grolovskoye (in Tony Woods llisting). Since there is only 3 La-5 shot down compared to 4 claims for “Curtiss P-40” it seems only one pilot either overclaimed or was allowed to share in the victory. The fact that the commander of the 523 IAP was a witness is what brings up the question about the LaGG-3 that Stotz claimed.

[Nokose]

11 August 1942
07:21-08:07 3 LaGG-3 of 21 IAP and 4 LaGG-3 from 193 IAP at an altitude of 2000 m patrolled in the area of Timofeevo (to Zubtsov?). They were attacked by 6 Bf 109 in which LaGG-3 (1099) pilot Solov’ev (rank and first name?) and LaGG-3 (3331) pilot Losev (rank and first name?). The 193 IAP had a LaGG-3 Glagolev (rank and first name?) was damaged in the air battle and made an emergency landing at Denesikha, were the aircraft was wrecked but pilot was unharmed.

Obfw Maximilian Stotz 4/JG 54 LaGG-3 (67) at 06:41 PlQu 47842 at 2000 m (area of Zubtsov.
Fw. Heinrich Wefers 4./JG 54 LaGG-3 (26) at 06:48 PlQu 47534 at 1500 m (area of Timofeevo)

[@irnimal]

Originally Posted by Nokose

11 August 1942
07:21-08:07 3 LaGG-3 of 21 IAP and 4 LaGG-3 from 193 IAP at an altitude of 2000 m patrolled in the area of Timofeevo (to Zubtsov?). They were attacked by 6 Bf 109 in which LaGG-3 (1099) pilot Solov’ev (rank and first name?) and LaGG-3 (3331) pilot Losev (rank and first name?). The 193 IAP had a LaGG-3 Glagolev (rank and first name?) was damaged in the air battle and made an emergency landing at Denesikha, were the aircraft was wrecked but pilot was unharmed.

Obfw Maximilian Stotz 4/JG 54 LaGG-3 (67) at 06:41 PlQu 47842 at 2000 m (area of Zubtsov.
Fw. Heinrich Wefers 4./JG 54 LaGG-3 (26) at 06:48 PlQu 47534 at 1500 m (area of Timofeevo)

On the Loss Records, could only find reference for one pilot, Starshina Viktor Alekseevich Losev, Mia.