Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Pilot

Various options, mostly based on RLM 75 and 82 but in few cases wings are RLM76 on top with RLM 75 patches. There is notable presence machines with patches schemes, there is dark variants with possibly two late greens and other version where all machine is in pale finish with patches in similar style but in medium color, possibly RLM75.

Tricky subject, no definite answer and all opinion and suggestions are good to hear.

OK Srecko and Veltro,

75/82 noted... But I'm still unable to see any contrast in the Hideki Noro pics... Do you actually see them?

Cheers
Marc

[Oberst]

veltro,

what your opinion on these colours? seemingly correct? or should they be RLM 75/82?

http://www.forcedlandingcollection.s...136-Bf109.html

[veltro]

Originally Posted by Oberst

veltro,

what your opinion on these colours? seemingly correct? or should they be RLM 75/82?

http://www.forcedlandingcollection.s...136-Bf109.html

74/75 could certainly be a viable option, especially now that we know what Rasmussen has revealed.

Also "75/82" couldn't be ruled out, unless of course we will be at last able to know for sure what hue RLM 82 really was (or should I say what range of hues...?)

What we are sure of is that, IMHO, we can only offer more or less educated guesses, unless (or "if") a crystal clear colour slide could come to the rescue and enlighten us about one of those Erla machines.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by veltro

74/75 could certainly be a viable option, especially now that we know what Rasmussen has revealed.

Also "75/82" couldn't be ruled out, unless of course we will be at last able to know for sure what hue RLM 82 really was (or should I say what range of hues...?)

What we are sure of is that, IMHO, we can only offer more or less educated guesses, unless (or "if") a crystal clear colour slide could come to the rescue and enlighten us about one of those Erla machines.

Veltro,

Thanks for giving us an insight in this 74/75 possibility. Issue is I do not see any contrasted and segmented pattern in those machines published by Hideki Noro. The only one on which there is obviously one is the Grafenwöhr machine...

Am I missing something here?

Cheers
Marc

[Oberst]

Veltro,
Many thanks. Would the same be applied to the Mtt-Reg built machines as the one in the link is?

Marc,
page 48 in JaPo - Bf 109 of JG52 in Deutsch Brod shows your aircraft in question and to me it clearly shows two different colours with a demarctation seperating them.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Schönen Dank Oberst!

Too late to fish it out again tonight; will check it tomorrow... with fresh eyes! One thing I'm sure though: the b/w and color profiles made in 2004 do show only one color...

Cheers
Marc

[veltro]

Just one word of precisation: my reply was done with reference to the Bf 109G-10 landed in Sweden linked by Oberst and, more generally, to the Erla G-10s in apparent "normal" camouflage.

I actually have a sort of "agnostic" position concerning the all-dark G-10s of the 150.xxx batch. AFAIK, they could be in whatever combination of "dark" colors (excluding RLM 83 of course, and certainly not 74/75!) possible, but even then, no certainty is at hand.

[Oberst]

Thanks for the clarification Ferdinando. In regards to the dark colours G-10s of the 150.xxx batch, any chance they were Italian colours?

[veltro]

Originally Posted by Oberst

Thanks for the clarification Ferdinando. In regards to the dark colours G-10s of the 150.xxx batch, any chance they were Italian colours?

To put it simply, no.

[Pilot]

Single color could be war rush but also.... do you remember a decades repeated statements of single coat RLM70 machines until was realized that this was caused by the nature of film. Maybe situation here. RLM81 and 82 are in most cases so dark so combination of this two could cause problem. In other hands we have some Fw190 with single top color on the fuselage top.

As I know RLM74 was discarded for use in 1944 and replaced by camouflage pattern 75/82. Is there any proof for RLM83 color? Bitter problem is the fact that some preserved pieces show wide variations in green colors.

Protection color could be also problem as well there was grey green (by mistake long time called RLM84) and very dark color, one researcher from Czechs Republic state it is RLM66 and it is possible as well there is several images of the rudder of late production Bf109 with very dark horizontal rudder and one color image show very dark color, very possible RLM66. So this colors could be some of external colors. RLM66 is used for cockpit frames and in some cases I have seen that the same or almost the same hue of color was extending on rest of airframe.

No need to say what we all know- not possible to determine from black and white image what color is on it.