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28th September 2013, 11:33
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While I'm not convinced in either way on JG6 bands I would say that any evidence for or against any theory would need to stem from within the same Gruppe, I can hardly think of any Geschwader that had consistent markings throughout all its gruppen. From the battle of Britain to the end of the war, I.D. colors and numerals seems to have been interpreted and applied at Gruppe level.
/Anders 
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#592
28th September 2013, 16:18
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Many thanks for your valued input! After browsing through the 143 pictures available (thanks for Abendroth's W.Nr. 330 204!), I tend to concur with you: it is next to impossible to decide between JG 6 and JG 77 on b/w pics without the input of CEA reports... It would be fantastic to have the latter online. Nick could this be a possibility? Cheers Marc
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#593
28th September 2013, 16:20
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On my side, I would see two JG's with a very constant way of applying RV markings as a whole: JG 27 and JG 53. Not sure if JG 4 and JG 300 were that thorough for all their Staffeln, but this could be another possibility... Cheers Marc
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#594
28th September 2013, 17:03
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#595
28th September 2013, 17:17
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JG53 is a good example, but JG27 less so imo as the width of the band varied between Gruppen. II./JG27 only used a band that covered one frame of the fuselage for example. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post but I meant not only whether a Gruppe applied bands or not, but also how wide and other variations. JG2 would be a better example than JG27 as the application of fuselagebands were quite constant on their Fw190D-9's.
/Anders
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#596
28th September 2013, 19:32
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Yes, I agree with you though there is not enough photos available for the moment. (Fw 190 and Bf 109 situation seems quite different whatever; unless you want to open a Fw 190 collection ?  )I concur with Anders too; his idea is quite pretty good to trace the RV band Inside one unit... Last - but not the least: We cannot forget JG 301... We already found some (only one?) Bf 109 with INVERSED band order (Yellow-Red instead of Red-Yellow - or the contrary; don't remember) and this was discussed in LEMB, times ago. I.e. exactly the situation described by Kees. And no one said it was "hairy" if I do remember well. Regards, Franck.
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#597
29th September 2013, 16:49
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Thanks Franck for your thoughts!
That would be great if one could open up a Fw 190 picture resource DB... We would then have a global insight in RV bands;-)) Beyond that, I have no issues with Kees's paper, Franck; he did just the right thing: to bring together CEA Reports and pics is a sure way to have a solid base for discussing RV Bands. JG 6 and JG 77 both had them and they often can't be distinguished because of the inherent limits of b/w photography. To have an open mind and methodic approach is a THE way for knowledge building: those incredible Fels am Wagram shots did just that. Seeing them opens a new question: beyond JG 2, JG 4, JG 6 and JG 300, we have to take into account JG 51 even if no known pics existed so far... Back to the documents, and we'll go beyond Marc
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#598
29th September 2013, 16:54
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@Nick
Thanks for your answer; maybe someone who has them could team up with you in order to have them on www.ghostbombers.com? That would be great news! @ Anders Good point, Anders! An other lead to follow... Thanks! Marc
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#599
29th September 2013, 17:15
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Last edited by Nick Beale; 30th September 2013 at 01:46. Reason: Afterthought.
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#600
30th September 2013, 17:43
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