Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Just to double the questions:

I have another "Schwarze 473" at hand in Fürth:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/6211479750
Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. unknown "Schwarze 473", Fürth, Summer 1945. Noro 2009, picture 149, p. 112.

Wow, no easy matter...
Marc

4./JG 104 so why Black number? ...

[ouidjat]

Without talking about this one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Code number style AND dimension is closer to blue 677, and with a 2nd Gruppe bar ..
In fact I tend to think that Blaue 677 is not from JG 104, since long.
But we are not going to resolve that right now, are we??
...

[Marc-André Haldimann]

That's the whole issue... black tactical numbers most of the time, and 4xx indicates 4./JG 104, 5xx gives away 5./JG 104, etc...

[Marc-André Haldimann]

No, let's ponder over it for a while...

Read you soon :-))
Marc

[Eric GUILLAUME]

Hello Franck and all,

In post 668, concerning this link :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
Bf 109 G-6 (?) W.Nr. 41x xxx "Blaue 384", 8./JG 104 (?), Regensburg, May 1945. Source: gallagher.com

I seems to me a "884", not a "384", which should be correct for 8/JG 104 ?

Regards.
Eric

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Eric GUILLAUME

Hello Franck and all,

In post 668, concerning this link :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
Bf 109 G-6 (?) W.Nr. 41x xxx "Blaue 384", 8./JG 104 (?), Regensburg, May 1945. Source: gallagher.com

I seems to me a "884", not a "384", which should be correct for 8/JG 104 ?

Regards.
Eric

Correct, Eric!

Could we have black numbers for I. Gruppe and Blue numbers for II. Gruppe ?
"Blaue 677" speaks towards this direction.

I reloaded this pic from David's site, it is much clearer; Danke David!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/12211985833/

Just a wild shot further...
Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

And just to another contender...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625539907434
Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 51. ... "Schwarze 275", 2./JG 10x, Germany, Summer 1944. Source: Ebay auction via TOCH Forum.

Could it be a 2./JG 104 plane?
Cheers
Marc

[Eric GUILLAUME]

In "Die Flugzeugführer-Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe" Band II page 108, you will find another photo of this "275", given as a Bf 109 G-6 from 2/JG 104 in 07/44 in Fürth.
Unfortunately, no colors indicated in the flight books I have, but in the same book, on the following page, you will find an Ar 96 (I know ...it is not a Bf 109...) coded "346", possibly yellow, certainly not black.

Regards.

Eric

[ouidjat]

Hello Eric,

for 384/884 I'll not fight since I was and still am not sure .. not a problem and this is not the main point.
275? matches with JG 104 for what I think and since it's already published ... Bingo I adopt it.

For code number colours ... could be a beginning of an answer, I follow this trail since long whatever.

The only thing I'm sure -without the book - another one to buy GRRRRR... - does concern those Black numbers, outlined in white, with "that" style in "that position"...; Schwarze 275 for example.
When we find something out of this schema I must admit I'm a little bit lost.

I'm just disapointed with last CJE article concerning these Units. There is much more things available to Crunch than generality.

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Folks,


I have an issue with this machine.... Labelled unit unknown, shot down in the vicinity of Colmar, November 1944... Obviously a 10. Staffel machine, but from which JG? Obviously a Mtt built G-6 or G-14... But where precisely, when precisely, and what unit?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/7238692992
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/12295662274

thanks for your help!
Marc