Erich Hartmann: verifiable claims

[Nikita Egorov]

n-r 78. LaGG at 18.10 PQ 70762. La-5 s/n 3810123 of 5 GIAP/207 IAD, 17 VA, Lt. Samoilenko - unhurt. Damaged in air combat with Bf-109s at 17.55-19.20 (M.T.) area of Sukhaya Kamenka. Crashed due to lack of fuel in Kunje area. Plane written off. PQ 70762 apprx 8 km northeast of reported place of combat in Soviet files

[HGabor]

Great info, thanks Nikita! Were the zavod 381 planes factory marked like '23' here from batch no.01? Thanks,
Gabor

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by Nikita Egorov

n-r 78. LaGG at 18.10 PQ 70762. La-5 s/n 3810123 of 5 GIAP/207 IAD, 17 VA, Lt. Samoilenko - unhurt. Damaged in air combat with Bf-109s at 17.55-19.20 (M.T.) area of Sukhaya Kamenka. Crashed due to lack of fuel in Kunje area. Plane written off. PQ 70762 apprx 8 km northeast of reported place of combat in Soviet files

Now THAT is how it is done. Thanks, Nikita. Can't wait for your Fighters over Stalingrad book to be released....

Nick

[GMichalski]

hi,

yes Boris i think the same,
great work in this thread!

regards

[mars]

Originally Posted by Nikita Egorov

n-r 78. LaGG at 18.10 PQ 70762. La-5 s/n 3810123 of 5 GIAP/207 IAD, 17 VA, Lt. Samoilenko - unhurt. Damaged in air combat with Bf-109s at 17.55-19.20 (M.T.) area of Sukhaya Kamenka. Crashed due to lack of fuel in Kunje area. Plane written off. PQ 70762 apprx 8 km northeast of reported place of combat in Soviet files

Hi, Nikita, what is the progress of your Stalingrad book?

[Nikita Egorov]

Still do not have time to finish. Two promotions within a year. Twelve-hours working day.

Thinking of the possibility to put unfinished into common access without photos. If I had no obligations towards some people, I could have already done it.

Originally Posted by mars

Hi, Nikita, what is the progress of your Stalingrad book?

[John Beaman]

Still do not have time to finish. Two promotions within a year.

But, that means you are making the big bucks, right?

congratulations!

[Nikita Egorov]

Originally Posted by John Beaman

Still do not have time to finish. Two promotions within a year.

But, that means you are making the big bucks, right?

congratulations!

Thanks. What is better to have money or to have time? Almost Shakespeare's question:-)

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

Tried to connect Hartmann to Birkner(who I was led to believe was his wingman) in the "over-claiming" debate, however could find no such connection. In fact although they were in the same Staffel they would appear to have rarely flown together. However in my opinion(if that's worth anything) I would say that there was a connection with Werner Puls with 7./JG 52. More so there are connection between Hartmann and Johannes Bunzek, Friedrich Blessin and Hermann Wolf within 9./JG 52, could just be a coincidence but Hartmann would claim many, directly followed by these pilots claiming a few.

In my opinion it was not at Staffel level but Schwarm level. The common denominator is Hermann Wolf. I would say that as believed if Hermann Graf was "over-claiming" it was with Wolf, Ernst Süss, Leopold Steinbatz and Johann Kalb, but not with Alfred Grislawski or Heinrich Füllgrabe. It would appear that 9./JG 52 were "over-claiming" 1942-1945 at Scharm level.

Could not find anything like the Rudorffer/Tangermann partnership within Stab.III./JG 52. Perhaps Rudorffer was a generous man in handing Tangermann "kills".

With Walter Nowotny help was attained with the help of Anton Dobele principally.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Maxim1]

http://stalingradjager.livejournal.com/2638.html (Nikita Egorov)

145. OVERCLAIM 26.10.1943 8:08 P-39 - P-39 of 9 GIAP flown by HSU k-n Ivan Korolyov, damaged, returned to base
146. OVERCLAIM 26.10.1943 8:15 P-39

Hermann Wolf

OVERCLAIM 26.10.1943 8:10 P-39