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Re: Hans Hahn
02 Oct 1941 Circus 104 Le Havre
RAF losses 92 Sqn Sptfire F/Lt J.W. Lund (KIA) Spitfire Sgt K.G. Port (KIA) Spitfire Sgt H,N, Edge (KIA) Spitfire P/O D.A. Bruce (Crash-landed at Ashford) German Claims Lt Walter Höhler 8/JG 2 Spitfire 15:03 Hptm Hans Hahn Stab III/JG 2 Spitfire 15:05 Oblt Werner Stockelman Stab III/JG 2 Spitfire 15:07 Lt Egon Mayer 7/JG 2 Spitfire 15:14 Gefr Helmut Ellenberger 8/JG 2 Spitfire 15:14 I believe that Hahn's claim was correct in this instance and Mayer might have shared his kill with Ellenberger to help him in "breaking in". Fighter-Sweeps to Pas-de-Calais by 11 Group 16:35 - 17:45 485 Sqn No losses 452 Sqn No losses Hptm Hans Hahn Stab III/JG 2 Spitfire 18:50 Spitfire 18:52 |
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Re: Hans Hahn
13 Oct 1941 Circus 108A Arques ship lift
This raid is interesting as Hans Hahn actually appears to have a good chance of being correct as both JG 2 and JG 26 were involved. I will list the German claims under the RAF losses in this one. RAF losses Close-Eescort Wing 12:35-15:00 452 Sqn (Dogfight at 13:30-13:40) Spitfire Sgt E.P. Jackson (KIA) St. Omer Spitfire Sgt. J.R.H. Elphick (Possibly damaged over St. Omer but rescued at sea) 602 Sqn 12:35-14:20 Spitfire Sgt L.L. Ford (POW) St. Omer Spitfire Sgt. E. Brayley (KIA) St. Omer Target Support Wing 129 Sqn 12:39-14:07 Spitfire F/Lt R.R. Macpherson (KIA) Arques Spitfire P/O G.S. Walker (KIA) Arques German claims Obstlt. Adolf Galland Stab/JG 26 Spitfire 14:17 St. Omer Lt. Paul Schauder 3/JG 26 Spitfire 14:30 W of St. Omer Hptm Johannes Schmid 8/JG 26 Spitfire 14:35 Hptm Hans Hahn Stab III/JG 2 Spitfire 14:30 Uffz. Heinrich Ziehl 8/JG 2 Spitfire 14:35 Target Support Wing (continued) 65 Sqn Spitfire Sgt D.H. Warden (KIA) Boulogne - East Hptm Joachim Müncheberg Stab II/JG 26 Spitfire 14:33 Samer Look at the location of Samer compared to Boulogne so it might be possible. Target Support Wing 41 Sqn 12:35-14:07 Spitfire Sgt S.J.L. Whitefoed (KIA) Boulogne Spitfire F/Lt. L.L. Bache (KIA) Boulogne Maj Walter Oesau Stab/JG 2 Spitfire 14:32-35 15 km SW of Boulogne Uffz Werner Brychy 4/JG 2 Spitfire 14:37 25 km west of Boulogne Oblt Erich Leie Stab/JG 2 Spitfire 14:40 15 km west of Boulogne Spitfire 14:43 no location Oblt Fritz Schröter 4/JG 2 Spitfire 15:00 25 km west Boulogne Rear Support Wing 411 Sqn 13:00-14:45 (dogfight in the area of St. Omer 13:30 by sqn.) Spitfire P/O R.W. McNair (sea rescue) Fw. Emil Babenz 3/JG 26 Spitfire 14:43 10 km east of Dungeness Babenz could be a "possible" for this one. Circus 108B did not involve Hahn so I didn't go into it. There is one Spitfire listed for the St. Omer area that does not have someone claiming so it possibly it could have been chased to Samer by Münchberg. |
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Re: Hans Hahn
I have far to little on RAF losses for 1942 and some sources do not match other sources so this will be the last post concerning Hans Hahn in the west.
12 Feb 1942 the German naval channel dash RAF losses 19 Sqn Spitfire unknown cause, time and location 41 Sqn Spitfire unknown cause, time and location 118 Sqn Spitfire by Bf 109 location and time unknown 234 Sqn Spitfire by Bf 109 401 Sqn Spitfire one source states JG 26 Hurricane 607 Sqn in one source it states flak at Le Touquet and another Lt Friedrich Graf von Uiberacker 1/JG 26 50 km sw of Vlissingen Hptm Hans Hahn Stab III/JG 2 Spitfire 14:38 no location The Germans claimed five Spitfires by JG 2 and five Spitfires by JG 26 this day. Last that I can decide on is Ramrod 21 on the 06 Jun 1942 Hptm Hans Hahn JG 2 Spitfire 17:25 location unknown Spitfire 17:25 " " Spitfire 17:27 " " For JG 2 in total there were 13 Spitfire claims against RAF losses of two Spitfire and a damaged Hurricane. In this case Hahn's chance of a victory are almost nil. So even though Hahn made the necessary five to be listed as an "Ace" he was far from his claimed number in "Western" victories that he claimed. |
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