Photo Sopwith

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Sopwith Triplane N5358 of 10 Squadron RNAS at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234129814...cAAOSw-M9hEUR3



Regards,


Clint

[Buckeye30]

Clint Camel C6752 was with 22 TDS at Edzell, near Montrose (Scotland); stalled on turn no engine and spun into ground.
2/Lt E C E Derwin killed.

Nick

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

Clint Camel C6752 was with 22 TDS at Edzell, near Montrose (Scotland);
Nick

You mean 26 TDS Nick?

No 22 TDS was at Gormanston and as far as I can see did not use any Camels.
All my sources claim C6752 was with 26 TDS when it crashed.

B Rgds
Stig

[Buckeye30]

Thanks Stig. A bit of a mystery, both "Kingston Aviation" and "Air History" say lost with No.22 in Scotland and the latter says Derwin was with both 22 and 32.

I though 22 was in Egypt and 32 was Australian, with 26 in Scotland ! The CWGC site has Derwin killed with 32 and buried in Plymouth, S. England where his parents lived.


I checked Alan Lake's "Flying units of the RAF" he says 26 was formed with 2-seaters in Scotland in 1916, disbanded in Aug. 1918 to become No.22 at Narborough.
I'm not too bothered I think it's enough that Derwin got a decent burial here unlike many others.


Regards
Nick

[Stig Jarlevik]

Nick

I don't have any of the sources you list.
Are you sure you are looking at Training Depot Stations? To me it sounds like you and others have checked Training Squadrons and not Training Depot Stations.

As per Air Britain's Camel book, the unit operating the aircraft when it was w/o was 26 TDS at Edzell. The aircraft had previously belonged to 32 TDS at Montrose.

Checking (again) Air Britain's book Flying Training and Support Units since 1912, these Depot Stations were beginning to form in late 1917 from basic Training Squadrons, so if I take 22 and 26 TDS they state the following

22 TDS: formed 1.8.1918 from No 26 and 69 Training Squadrons at Gormanston. Became 22 Training School 13.4.1919
26 TDS: formed 15.7.1918 from No 36 and 74 Training Squadrons at Edzell. Disbanded 25.4.1919

Looking at 22 Training Squadron, yes it was in Egypt and became 60 TDS on 1.12.1918
Looking at 32 Training Squadron it was an AFC unit and formed at Yatesbury.
Looking at 26 Training Squadron it was formed 22.5.1916 from 44 Sq at Turnhouse. It moved to Harlaxton on 22.9.1917 and Narborough 3.2.1918. It was disbanded into 22 TDS (as per above)

Even if I don't "do" individuals, I agree with your last statement.

B Rgds
Stig

[Buckeye30]

You are quite right Stig, 2 distinct designations. Odd that Derwin's War Graves certificate has 32 TDS but maybe just not up-dated.


Thanks for the explanation.

Nick

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

You are quite right Stig, 2 distinct designations. Odd that Derwin's War Graves certificate has 32 TDS but maybe just not up-dated.
Thanks for the explanation.
Nick

No worries Nick

Nothing I know by heart, just by checking my sources.

I have no idea why the War Graves states what they do. To me it is more important that even the obscure individuals are actually remembered.

To be honest, I doubt neither Derwin nor his relatives bother about which unit he belonged to....

I have the utmost respect for your knowledge Nick, no doubt about that!

All the Best
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of a Sopwith Dolphin of the Machine Gun School,with (too myself at least) an unusual removal of the front of the engine cowling :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/35373575959...UAAOSwD~phcalm


https://www.ebay.com/itm/35371875923...QAAOSwa~lhVgAu


Regards,


Clint

[Buckeye30]

Clint it's the first prototype Dolphin before the cowling was re-designed ( I don't think it had a serial marked on).



Nick

[musec04]

Hi Nick,


Thanks for the information. So did the prototype go on to serve with the Machine Gun School or is the photo caption incorrect?


Regards,


Clint