Battle of Britain Bf109E found in India a few years ago?

[Pierre Lessard]

Originally Posted by PeterA

...and the 'come and get me message and phone number' on the rear port.


PeterA

Sorry, I was referring to Peter's picture posted earlier.

Pierre

[JägerMarty]

Great pics there guys, look fwd to the active restoration being uncovered and results

[Sealand Tower]

Hi People...first post here so hello all ! To see colour pictures of Bf109E wk nr 4034 on the move with her squadron sisters in 1939 have a look on YouTube ! Simply type in Baumbach Trautloft together in the request box and see what turns up... The fuselage address and telephone number marking can clearly be seen on the taxiing shots. I'm convinced 4034 is in there somewhere....

[Sealand Tower]

From the photos I've just spotted fragments of red paint on the starboard side of the fuselage which may be the remainder of the very first number (whatever that was) which would have been red outlined with white in 4034's JG77 service....according to the colour footage on Youtube.

[harrison987]

many Me109's of JG77 would have had the same tactical numbers/markings as 4034 throughout the years (replacements, etc.)...so she is not necessarily in that video...

Mike

[joyban]

Hi any updates on this ?

As for the Current Registration goes it is "G-CDTI"

Details are as in :-
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...llregmark=CDTI

So has this aircraft been restored and is in flying condition ?
So what about the Unit History of the Aircraft...and the Numbers that we were debating about ?
Is there any pictures of any other Aircraft with same Squadron or Simillar Markings...?

Any updates will be great.,

Regards

Sujoy

[joyban]

Previous ID:

8 LUFTWAFFE ?

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Registration Details

Mark:G-CDTI
Current Reg. Date:12/12/2005
Previous ID:8 LUFTWAFFED
e-Reg. Date:Status:
RegisteredTo:Select this link to view the Full Registration History of this aircraft
Aircraft Details

Manufacturer:MESSERSCHMITT AG
Type:MESSERSCHMITT BF109E
Serial No.:4034ICAO
24 bit aircraft address:Binary: 0100_00_000_100_11_1100000010
Hex: 404F02
Octal: 20047402
Popular Name:-Generic Name:BF109Aircraft Class:FIXED-WING LANDPLANEEASA
Category:NON EASAEngines:1
MTOW:2670kgTotal Hours:Year Built:1939CofA / Permit:Validity Expiry:
Owner Details

Ownership Status:OwnedRegistered Owners:RARE AERO LTD
PO BOX 83
JERSEY
JE4 8PW
CHANNEL ISLANDS

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date of "No Flight" Declaration:12/12/2005
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[joyban]

Also an intresting noting which has been mentioned at :-

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/walkaround/4034/4034.htm

That said, however, there's been much speculation that this may in fact be the machine of Fw. Xavier Ray of 8./JG53, Bf109E-1/b W.Nr. 4034. There are several items which seem to point to this, and we'll begin by quoting directly from the Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report (CEAR) kindly transcribed by Dave Wadman:

Report No.3/139 Me 109 crashed on 2/11/40 at 0905hrs near Lower Hardres. Map reference R.5601. Markings 6+I. All in black outlined white. Camouflage yellow dappled green grey all over. Vertical red band 10" wide round centre of engine cowling. Spinner red without usual hole at the tip. Airframe made by Focke-Wulf, Bremen in 1939. Works number 4034. Engine D.B.601 Work number 10256. Made by D.B. Genshagen. Cause of crash of this aircraft is not known but pilot made very good belly landing and aircraft is practically intact. No trace of bullet strikes or engine overheating but cause of landing may have been engine failure. Armament, 4 M.G. 17s; no ammunition used. Armour: fuselage cross bulkhead fitted and head protection with curved head shield. Pilot prisoner.

Now it states "Vertical red band 10" wide round centre of engine cowling"

Which also is identical to what has been mentioned at :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JG_53

While JG 53 was making a reputation for itself during the Battle of Britain, according to RAF Air Ministry intelligence summary no 60, Reichsmarshall Hermann Göring was informed that Major Jurgen von Cramon-Taubadel's wife was Jewish. Göring then ordered the whole of Stab/JG 53 to remove the "Pik As" emblem from their planes, and replace it with a red stripe around the engine cowling as punishment. All of Stab./JG 53's planes immediately were stripped of their "Pik As" insignia, and soon after the whole of the Stab./JG 53 had also stripped the swastikas off the tails of their planes in protest. During this phase of the Battle of Britain, Stab.JG 53's planes were easily recognizable because of the red band and the absence of a swastika on the tail of their Bf-109's.

On 30 September Major Günther Freiherr von Maltzahn became Kommodore and the Stab.JG53 was allowed to paint the "Pik As" back on their Bf-109's, removing the red band from their cowlings.

So is there any remains of the "red stripe around the engine cowling" ?

Regards

Sujoy

[Andy Saunders]

To the best of my knowledge, no cowlings were with this aircraft - although I stand to be corrected.

[joyban]

Hi all,

The Crash Report States it as 6+ Black and White Edge, Red Spinner Cowling and Rudder Yellow.




I am trying to get more reports and description of this Aircraft while it was in public Display in India.

Regards

Sujoy

Source of Report :- http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com