Photo Nieuport

[Stig Jarlevik]

No worries Nick

It was just an information statement....
Again I confess the tiny details of the Nieuport aircraft is beyond my grasp.
I suppose what I need is a photo from all angles with both types standing side by side....

Happy New Year BTW
Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a further photo with a line of Army Type Ko 3 fighters at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/16527540892...sAAOSwkWZhBpII


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an interestingly camouflaged Red Army Nieuport 24 bis at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/12511214716...4AAOSwCGFh6xKX


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

He, he Clint

How do you nail this one so specifically as being a Nieuport 24bis?
Since I have already stated I am lousy with all those look-a-like models, I am just curious....

Cheers
Stig

[Buckeye30]

The 17bis and 24bis were very similar but the 17bis had a narrow-chord cowling and the 24bis had rounded wing-tips (as seen here); the mid-war Nieuports are the problem.
17bis..round fuselage, square tail, headrest.
21...flat fuselage, square tail, no headrest ( trainers).
23...flat fuselage, square tail, headrest (mostly trainers).
23bis.. (very few) round fuselage, square tail, headrest (RFC).
24.. round fuselage, round tail, headrest, sprung tailskid.
24bis..round fuselage, square tail, headrest, rounded wingtips.

27..round fuselage, round tail, headrest, rounded wingtips.
Engines varied but 21s usually had horseshoe cowlings like 11 / 16s. 17bis had narrow cowling.
Most Russian Nieuports seem to be 11/17/21/24/24bis.
Nick

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Nick

It's a start I guess, even if I have a hard time to actually see any of these differences.
With rounded wing tips I assume you mean the ailerons on the Nieuport 24bis were more rounded?

Since you single out the 17bis having a "narrow chord" cowling, can you develop that a bit please?
I looked at so called identified 17bis vs 24bis photos and I can't see any difference in their cowlings....

Cheers
Stig

[Buckeye30]

Stig. this is a 17bis with narrow cowling and an RFC 24bis with standard. You can only see the difference from the side.
Both the 80 and 110 LR engines had 9 cylinders, main difference I think was that the 110 made the machine nose-heavy.
The Russian Nieuport in Clint's photo is a 24bis with rounded ailerons (I called it wing tips). Also the seller is based in Russia (note the "5" and "3" again).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieupo...right_side.jpg


https://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/01...port2/24-1.jpg


Regards
Nick

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Nick

Get the point. There is a lot to go through with the look-a-likes before one can be certain.
Guess I prefer a solid serial number any day of the week....

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Italian Nieuport 11 Ni.1607 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/334310847743...YAAOSw8ZBh9s3-


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of Nieuport 11 N.872 of Jean Navarre of N.67,the second of which at least has been seen before at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/334313356856...4AAOSwIK9h-WX7


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/334313374351...oAAOSwW-Bh-Wdr


Regards,


Clint