GQM Verluste und Unfälle.

[John Manrho]

I believe it is an illusion to assume the Gen.Qu.Mstr. losses are complete. There could be numerous reasons why it did not end up there, it was of course a clumsy process. The same goes for NVM's. Not all losses were recorded or possible NVM's were lost.

John

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Originally Posted by John Manrho

I believe it is an illusion to assume the Gen.Qu.Mstr. losses are complete. There could be numerous reasons why it did not end up there, it was of course a clumsy process. The same goes for NVM's. Not all losses were recorded or possible NVM's were lost.

Hello John,

Aircraft losses not listed in GQM returns were undoubtedly there. But are there examples of aircrew losses not listed in GQM Vordruck II and NVM?

Best regards,
Andrey

[Franek Grabowski]

Andrey
I guess John can provide a few samples. Nonetheless for sure GQ6 list is not complete, and contains omissions and errors. I have identified few such cases, and there is some more evidence for that. This regardless of the loss of 1944 records.
The general problem is lack of records for cross check of the losses.
Same applies to NVMs.
Franek

[Jim P.]

RL 6/122 - various pre-war losses from May & Jun-39.

[RudiS]

Thanks for the heads-up, Jim.

[hucks216]

Updated list (as of 11-05-2023) *I could be wrong but the entry in bold may be a new addition.

Tägliche Verlustmeldungen.- Flugzeugunfälle und Verluste bei allen Verbänden

RL 2-III_184 Bd. 1 - 1.Sept.39 - 2.März.40
RL 2-III_752 Bd. 1 - 31.Aug - 31.Dez.40
RL 2-III_753 Bd. 2 - 1.Jan - 30.Mai.41
RL 2-III_754 Bd. 3 - 3.Jun - 31.Juli.41
RL 2-III_755 Bd. 4 - 1.Aug - 15.Okt.41
RL 2-III_757 Bd. 6 - 16.Jan - 18.Febr.42
RL 2-III_758 Bd. 7 - 19.Febr - 20.Mar.42
RL 2-III_759 Bd. 8 - 21.Marz - 17.Apr.42
RL 2-III_1173 Bd. 2 - 3.März - 2.Juni.40
RL 2-III_1174 Bd. 3 - 3.Jun - 2.Sept.40
RL 2-III_1175 Bd. 4 - 3.Sept.40 - 2.Jan.41
RL 2-III_1176 Bd. 5 - 3.Jan. - 29.Mai.41
RL 2-III_1177 Bd. 6 - 30.Mai - 2.Aug.41
RL 2-III_1178 Bd. 7 - 3.Aug - 2.Nov.41
RL 2-III_1179 Bd. 8 - 3.Nov.41 - 2.Febr.42
RL 2-III_1180 Bd. 9 - 3.Febr - 2.Mai.42
RL 2-III_1181 Bd. 10 - 3.Mai - 2.Juli.42
RL 2-III_1182 Bd. 11 - 3.Juli - 2.Sept.42
RL 2-III_1183 Bd. 12 - 3.Sept - 2.Nov.42
RL 2-III_1184 Bd. 13 - 3.Nov.42 - 2.Jan.43
RL 2-III_1185 Bd. 14 - 3.Jan - 2.Febr.43
RL 2-III_1186 Bd. 15 - 3.Febr - 2.Mar.43
RL 2-III_1187 Bd. 16 - 3.März - 2.Apr.43
RL 2-III_1188 Bd. 17 - 3.Apr.-2.Mai 1943
RL 2-III_1189 Bd. 18 - 3.Mai - 2.Jun.43
RL 2-III_1190 Bd. 19 - 3.Jun - 2.Jul.43
RL 2-III_1191 Bd. 20 - 3.Jul - 2.Aug.43
RL 2-III_1192 Bd. 21 - 3.Aug - 2.Sep.43
RL 2-III_1193 Bd. 22 - 3.Sep - 2.Okt.43
RL 2-III_1194 Bd. 23 - 3.Okt - 2.Nov.43
RL 2-III_1195 Bd. 24 - 3.Nov- 2.Dez.43
RL 2-III_1196 Bd. 25 - 3.Dez.43 - 2.Jan.44

Tägliche Verlustmeldungen.- Flugzeugunfälle und Verluste bei den fliegenden Verbänden

RL 2-III_1199 Bd. 4 - 16.März - 1.Apr.45

Besondere Vorkommnisse (Flugzeugunfälle und Flugzeugabstürze) 1934 - 1939

RL 6_122 Bd. 4 - 2.Mai-15.Juni 1939

[RudiS]

RL 2-III_759: new to me too. Thanks for the pointer.

[RudiS]

As for the pre war losses, so far I have found the following:
Besondere Vorkommnisse (Flugzeugunfälle und Flugzeugabstürze)
17. Dez. 1934 - 15. März 1935 RL 6/112
6. Okt. 1937 - 5. Jan. 1938 RL 6/117
13. Jan. - 18. März 1938 RL 6/119
2. Mai - 15. Juni 1939 RL 6/122
15. Juni - 14. Juli, 05./06. Okt. 1939 RL 6/121

Has anyone found any others?

[Leo Etgen]

Hi guys

I hope that all of you are doing fine. I cannot find or access RL 2-III_759 ... Has this particular file been uploaded yet or simply been announced? Many thanks for any clarification.

Horrido!

Leo

[Rottler]

Hello Leo,

enter with RL 2-III/759, not RL 2-III_759.

Regards
Leo