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Old 18th January 2019, 12:49
Stig Jarlevik Stig Jarlevik is offline
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Re: 42-3030 confusion ?

Sean

Just one more question.
When you quote the MACR report like this

RO 35459089 Ralph D Bingham Sgt. OH 5 4 1943 B-17F # 42-3030 Missing over Atlantic Ocean on ferry flight from Marrakech to St. Eval. MACR 5662 FOD 20FrG/70FrS
N O-664899 Louis A Koenig 2nd Lt. NJ 5 4 1943 B-17F # 42-3030 Missing over Atlantic Ocean on ferry flight from Marrakech to St. Eval. MACR 5662 FOD 20FrG/70FrS
P O-501971 Kermit A Carte Capt. FL 5 4 1943 B-17F # 42-3030 Missing over Atlantic Ocean on ferry flight from Marrakech to St. Eval. MACR 5662 FOD 20FrG/71FrS
CP O-501972 Wilbert Councill 1st Lt. LA 5 4 1943 B-17F # 42-3030 Missing over Atlantic Ocean on ferry flight from Marrakech to St. Eval. MACR 5662 FOD 20FrG/71FrS
E 18120733 Edmund D Werner Cpl NM 5 4 1943 B-17F # 42-3030 Missing over Atlantic Ocean on ferry flight from Marrakech to St. Eval. MACR 5662 FOD 20FrG/71FrS

how are the dates written? Are they spelled out, ie 5 April 1943 or written 4 5 43 or something similar? I just want to be sure we are not actually talking about 4 May 1943....

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Old 18th January 2019, 14:10
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Re: 42-3030 confusion ?

The ABMC database and the USAAF personnel database both have these men registered as lost on 5 April 1943.
https://www.abmc.gov/database-search
http://www.usaafdata.com/search

This crew is not listed in the USAAF "AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT AND INCIDENT REPORTS" list available online, I checked both dates and also 4 April (day of departure):
http://airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/877/133.xml
http://airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/877/134.xml
http://airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/877/145.xml
This is probably because they are covered by a MACR and were lost without a trace, so no accident report was written for them.
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Old 18th January 2019, 15:19
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Re: 42-3030 confusion ?

Stig,
the data for the 5 crew came out of my database for USAAF losses.
My db convention is DD/MM/YYYY.

Sean

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Old 18th January 2019, 16:28
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Re: 42-3030 confusion ?

Thanks Sean (and Laurent)

That explains it.

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