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Old 26th September 2012, 17:08
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Many thanks Unikum!

I saw them on LEMB this morning, and they are already uploaded. A very interesting sequence of photographs I detailed a bit in this LEMB thread.
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...opic=16585&hl=

Former property of Heinz Riedinger, some of them were already posted by Falcon in his excellent messerschmitt109.de site. This much more complete serie, taken in January 1945 at Wertheim (remember the Bodenwöhr Bf 109 K-4 thread in November 2008?) shows clearly the W.Nr. of Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 785 102, rebuilt by Fiesler Werke as a Bf 109 G-14; it has been or will be test flown (BAL Abnahme Flug) by Fiesler pilot Anton Riedinger.

Another Bf 109 G-14 can be seen and a Bf 109 G-6 too with Riedinger getting out of it's cockpit (fleece lined flight jacket).

W.Nr. 785 102 is exceptionally interesting as it exemplifies the "rebuild at all costs" policy of the German war industry at that time:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

It is a perfect match for Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 163 824, conserved in Canberra, which was similarly rebuilt and still sports nowadays the propeller of W.Nr.441 039... and it's original patchwork camouflage.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625360814585
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625360814585/

The last pic show an Erla built Bf 109 G-6 which Stkz "VP+??" indicates a W.Nr 410 847 - 410 896, 411 058 - 411 064, 411 071 or 411 097 - 411 117 batch machine (source: LEMB Stkz database).

Thanks again Unikum, I appreciate your help.
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Old 26th September 2012, 17:22
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Actually, the Riedinger set machine which W.Nr. is to be read is 785'192. The upper part of the 7 is faintly visible above the hatted onlooker 's shoulder, whilst the 8 is partly blotted out by the man's shoulder, a snowflake doing the trick to transform the 9 into a pseudo 0...
This machine is thus a Regensburg built Bf 109 G-14, W.Nr. 785 192, as said depicted by Anton Riedinger, at the RLM Abnahme, Wertheim, in January 1945.

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Old 26th September 2012, 17:38
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Actually, the Riedinger set machine which W.Nr. is to be read is 785'192. The upper part of the 7 is faintly visible above the hatted onlooker 's shoulder, whilst the 8 is partly blotted out by the man's shoulder, a snowflake doing the trick to transform the 9 into a pseudo 0...
This machine is thus a Regensburg built Bf 109 G-14, W.Nr. 785 192, as said depicted by Anton Riedinger, at the RLM Abnahme, Wertheim, in January 1945.
Hallo Oberst,

The quality of the provided pics are much better the the ones known before. If you check the following attachments of Unikum, you can see on this one the two first digits 78:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/attach...8&d=1348667671

and on this one five out of the six digits; the fifth is clearly a "0"
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...ttach_id=40803

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Old 26th September 2012, 19:58
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

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This much more complete serie, taken in January 1945 at Wertheim (remember the Bodenwöhr Bf 109 K-4 thread in November 2008?) shows clearly the W.Nr. of Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 785 102, rebuilt by Fiesler Werke as a Bf 109 G-14; it has been or will be test flown (BAL Abnahme Flug) by Fiesler pilot Anton Riedinger.
Maybe my copy of his logbook Nr.16 is incomplete but I couldn't find any W.Nr. 785102 between 28.11.1944 - 23.03.1945 (flight number 1521 - 1574).

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Old 26th September 2012, 22:01
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Maybe my copy of his logbook Nr.16 is incomplete but I couldn't find any W.Nr. 785102 between 28.11.1944 - 23.03.1945 (flight number 1521 - 1574).

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Hallo Rasmussen!

Maybe he didn't test fly W.Nr. 785102; the only sure fact is that he was photographed in front of it... and that this particular plane was W.Nr. 785102.

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Old 26th September 2012, 22:23
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

If thats the case then I don't think theres '7' in front at all. '8' Looks more like nine and could very well be Gyor built Me109G-6/Y.
Not saying for sure, but possibilty.
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Old 26th September 2012, 22:54
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hallo Oberst,

You have the "7" just above the head of the "t" of Kopierschutz in the first pic I linked in post 353; just behind of it you have a full "8" to see... The latter is also clearly seen in the second pic of the same post.

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Old 27th September 2012, 20:18
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