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Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
Both the Officer Career Summaries and the Kracker database say this a/c was a G-6, with the Career Summaries stating it was lost on 24 June 1944. I have not found a Werknummer for this a/c. The code is clearly one for Stab I./NJG2.
BUT the Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmelden for I./NJG2 shows no G-6's in the Gruppe until September 1944. Prior to that there were C-6, R-2 and G-1, all of which were present in June. Can anyone confirm the aircraft type lost by Raht on 24/6/44? Thanks Peter |
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
That is what is happening when authors are quoting each other. I./NJG 2 did not have any JU 88G-6 in June 1944, they got their first one i September 1944. And Raht did not bring any from 4./NJG 3 either. They got their first one after Raht left the unit. I could originally be a typing error.
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
Ju 88 G-1 710510 was reported 4R+AB on 28.06.44 at Chateaudun.
(TNA HW 5 CX/MSS/T.234/14) No mention of Rath. On date 24.06.44 many were damaged or destroyed there in enemy attack. Raht is not listed in any of these. Salonen info has Ju 88 R-2 4R+RB destroyed on ground 10.06.44 and his name. No WNr. given. Last edited by edNorth; 7th April 2018 at 02:19. |
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
Thanks guys.
So from what you say according to Matti Salonen there is a probability Ju88R-2 4R+RB was associated with Raht, and then maybe/perhaps he could also be associated with Ju88G-1 710510 4R+AB, with the G-1 mistakenly recorded as a G-6 at some point in time? Peter |
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
It it helps any,
Appendix 4 of Boiten's Nachtjagd War Diaries DISPOSITION OF NACHTJAGD JUNE 1944 (pages 325 and 326) Lists II./NJG 4 under Hptm. Gerhard Raht based at Dijon and equipped with Bf110s |
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
OK Ed, yes that was speculating. Just thought I'd throw it in and see what the general opinion was.
Nick, that's interesting. The Air Units info shows Raht was Kdr I./NJG2 from 13/5/44 to 8/5/45 based at Eindhoven and Chateaudun in May/June 1944. But then it also shows he was Kdr II./NJG4 from 20/5/44 to 22/6/44 based at Dijon and Coulommiers in that period. Is it possible he commanded both units for a month? How does that work? Peter |
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
Oberleutnant Gerhard Rath was Staffelkapitän ./NJG 2 from the 1st of April to 11th of May, 1944 and then he took over I./NJG 2 as a Gruppenkommandeur from the 20th of May, 1944 until the end of the war.
Hans Autenrieth was leading II./NJG 4 undtil the 20th of May, 1944 and then Hubertr Rauh took over on the 25th of May. |
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
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The appendix is simply titled "DISPOSITION OF NACHTJAGD JUNE 1944" ...Now let's not miss the fact that it says JUNE 1944 and not any specific date. Anything could happen in a month that consists of an entire 30 days, so your info AND my source could both be correct in that sense, if you catch my drift... Still, once again I hope I have helped you at least close off a source (Boiten's Nachtjagd War Diaries) that you might not get to check outside of this forum |
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Re: Gerhard Raht Ju88 4R+AB issue
Looks like an error in Holm's database, then. It says Hubert "Rauch" didn't take over until 22 June. But then he also mis-spelled Raht as Rath. Raht, Rath, Rauh, Rauch .... maybe the result of tired eyes, perhaps.
I'll take Delmenhorst's advice that Rauh took over on 25 May as correct. Thanks for all your input, guys Peter |
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