Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Allied and Soviet Air Forces

Allied and Soviet Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the Air Forces of the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 13th April 2024, 06:31
Alex Smart Alex Smart is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 4,303
Alex Smart is on a distinguished road
Missing F-5, late March, 1945

Hello,
Am working on the loss of an F-5 . Date given as 26th March 1945.
MACR 13370.
Miss Mary
44-24486.
Searched through the KU Reports and found Nil.

However at the end of the list for the March 45 list there appears the following -

26.3.45
Time which looks to be 04.55hrs( the aircraft took off around 06.00 according to the MACR. Could this be due to the time difference between the enemy and allies?

Where an a/c serial would usually be is what looks like either "71" or "77" which could be an aircraft in Squadron number.

This is followed by a place name which I could not make out and Country Austria.

All that is followed by the following -
AV.2291/45.

So what does the AV.2291/45 refer to, if some kind of document just where would it be found ?

Hope that this can be resolved.
Thanks in advance.
Alex
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 13th April 2024, 07:35
Luc Vervoort Luc Vervoort is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Belgium
Posts: 518
Luc Vervoort is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

Hi Alex,

The file is available on NARA :

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/17357586

Best regards

Luc
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 13th April 2024, 13:46
FrankieS's Avatar
FrankieS FrankieS is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 538
FrankieS is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

see also http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=336339

but I understand that the AV reports are only on deceased crew.
Pantsch was POW and survived, I think.

And this mentioned AV 2291/45 gives "Brookmann, William" [correct: 'Brookman, Wilburn']
as fallen on 26.03.1945 at "Strass/Steiermark".


Strass/Steiermark here:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/84...er=0&entry=ttu




Brookman is MACR # 13070

crash date 19.03.1945 at 8472 Straß in Steiermark (Austria)
death date 26.03.1945 at 8472 Straß in Steiermark (Austria)
P-38 Lightning
82 Fighter Group
95 Fighter Squadron
Brookman Wilburn R. 1st Lt O-711936

Last edited by FrankieS; 13th April 2024 at 14:24.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 13th April 2024, 13:48
FrankieS's Avatar
FrankieS FrankieS is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 538
FrankieS is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

picture of Pantsch inside this booklet


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...I_j38qP5-pkL9L
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 13th April 2024, 15:40
Alex Smart Alex Smart is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 4,303
Alex Smart is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

My grateful thanks Gentlemen for your swift replies.
I had no idea of the AV files, never came across them before.
And as you now know my search was indeed about Pansch.
He did indeed survive the war. But his actual crash site has it seems, never actually been found.
All the very best
Alex
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 14th April 2024, 05:43
Alex Smart Alex Smart is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 4,303
Alex Smart is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

Pansch crashsite in the Innsbruck area of Wippital/Schonberg/Stubaital.
Brookman was in the Graz area East of the river Mur in the District of Leibnitz at Strass/Steiermark.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 14th April 2024, 18:00
FrankieS's Avatar
FrankieS FrankieS is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 538
FrankieS is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wi...er=0&entry=ttu
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 15th April 2024, 20:41
Alex Smart Alex Smart is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 4,303
Alex Smart is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

Hi Frankie, all I see is a map showing my town ?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 15th April 2024, 20:53
FrankieS's Avatar
FrankieS FrankieS is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 538
FrankieS is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

oh, sorry, dear Alex.

for you it will anyway be nothing new.


you could enter into

https://www.google.com/maps?authuser=0


"Wipptal, Österreich"


bye
Frank
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 15th April 2024, 21:12
Alex Smart Alex Smart is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 4,303
Alex Smart is on a distinguished road
Re: Missing F-5, late March, 1945

No problem, If you take the map references and use the correct N and E, if I am right the Wippital/Schonberg/Stubaital falls in that area. So must be somewhere in that area.
Unless post WW2 some recovery Unit removed the wreckage.
I have no idea which unit it could be, French, British or US. Even perhaps an Austrian/ex Luftwaffe Unit ???

Also I would like to confirm that the reference AV.2291/45 was in relation to MACR 13070, crash date 19.03.1945 at 8472 Straß in Steiermark (Austria)
death date 26.03.1945 at 8472 Straß in Steiermark (Austria)
P-38 Lightning
82 Fighter Group
95 Fighter Squadron
Brookman Wilburn R. 1st Lt O-711936.
It had nothing to do with Pansch MACR 13370, which was my original assumption.

Alex
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Claimants against soviet bomber formations in March 1945 Monaco Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 2 5th October 2019 22:10
F4U-4 in action in Okinawa, 1945 Ferreira Japanese and Allied Air Forces in the Far East 30 22nd February 2016 20:45
Erg.KGr.(J) losses 15 March and 19 March 1945 Roger Gaemperle Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 11th January 2015 00:49
Ask for help in reveal identity of Bf 109's pilot. Silesia, March 1945. JohannesKurp Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 0 23rd January 2014 18:50
Spitfire vs 109 edwest Books and Magazines 22 15th December 2013 23:20


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:23.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net