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Old 14th June 2018, 04:46
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Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

I have seen several sources claiming certain 6oXX number ranges are particular variants, and pretty much all of them are conflicting.
As provided by Michael, Laureau in his book Condor: The Luftwaffe in Spain 1936-1939, gives the following serial allocations -
6-1 to 6-3 V; 6-4 to 6-45 B; 6-46 to 6-50 C; 6-51 to 6-86 D; 6-87 to 6-131 E
Sidney, in another thread you stated that up to 6o60 were B's, and from 6o61 were D's. Could you please let me know where this information came from? Can you please provide more detail of what you have?
Does anyone have what they consider to be definitive information on which serial ranges applied to which versions?
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Old 14th June 2018, 09:13
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Hello Peter

According to Juan Arraez Cerda in his study on Spanish Messerschmitt (translated into French by Patrick Laureau),here is his conclusion:

Prototypes V3 and V4:6-1 and 6-2
Serie B-1:6-3 to 6-18
Serie B-2:6-19 to 6-58
Serie C-1:6-59 to 6-78
Serie D-1:6-79 to 6-86,plus the 6-95
Serie E-1 and E-3:6-87 to 6-31

E-1 known:6-115,6-116,6-119,6-120,6-121,6-122,6-124,and 6-125

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Old 14th June 2018, 09:54
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Michel, do you have a year for Cerda's study? And maybe when Laureau translated it?
The book by Laureau I mentioned in my post was released (as far as I can tell) in 2000.
Given the 2 sources have different info, it might be worthwhile knowing which is the latest.
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Old 14th June 2018, 11:53
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

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I don't known his book in english (2000)....his book of 1999 (la legion condor by Patrick Laureau and José Fernandez 1999 )?
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Good afternoon Gentlemen,

is this mess due to the semi-official character of the Legion Condor ?
Or has any of the authors simply made serious mistakes in allocating the subtypes ?

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Old 15th June 2018, 20:49
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

A Bf 109 D-1 coded 6-96...

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Old 15th June 2018, 20:54
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

A Bf 109 D-1 coded 6-97...

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Old 15th June 2018, 21:33
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

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Sidney, in another thread you stated that up to 6o60 were B's, and from 6o61 were D's. Could you please let me know where this information came from? Can you please provide more detail of what you have?
Does anyone have what they consider to be definitive information on which serial ranges applied to which versions?
Thanks
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Peter, I will try to provide some photographic evidence.

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Old 15th June 2018, 21:41
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

A Bf 109 B coded 6-47...

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Old 15th June 2018, 21:55
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Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Seemingly a Bf 109 D-1 coded 6-59.

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