He 219 V6/A0 DV+DI

[peppo38]

Dear all,
I am very interested to know more on this aircraft. The only source I have is "Famous airplanes of the world" - written in Japanese. Does anybody have any hint? Thanks from Italy.
Peppo

[Kutscha]

The V6 was used for ejection seat testing with E-Stelle.

Maybe some can confirm the code > Remp's 219 book has the code as DH+PV yet a photo in the book shows DV+DI.

[peppo38]

Thank for this. Do you think that the unusual red & white strips
on the fuselage are indeed related to the experimental purpose
of this DV+DI?
Peppo38

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello,

The reconstruction of the He219 production and its Werkenummer/Stammkennzeichen/prototype assignments is quite complex, due to contradictory publications. With the He219 documentation from the Heinkel Archives a lot of misunderstandings can be solved partially.

The first flying testbed for the ejection seat in the Heinkel He219 was He219A-0/V-6 (Werkenummer 190006), Stkz. DH+PV.

After 12 prototypes, the A-0 production started for real with He219A-0 (Wnr. 190051). Some of these were assigned for specific tests, Wnr.190112 for a 3-man cockpit cnoversion for instance.

Therefore, Werkenummer like
190016 (Modell.Mag.9/84)
190020 (Modell.Mag.9/84, Remp/136)
190038 (Remp/120)
have not existed and must be considered errors.

The next, documented loss of a He219 in which the crew was able to rescue themselves with ejection seats, was the He219A-023/V-19 (Wnr. 190073) on the evening of April 11th, 1944.

The first He219 with Stkz. DH+Dx (which was the DH+DA) had Wnr. 190105. Stkz. DH+DI belonged to He219A-042 (Wnr. 190113),not He219A-019 mentioned in Remp's book.

All the best, Marcel Hogenhuis
www.fliegerhorst-venlo.net

[barkas]

Hallo,
look at the same, old thread He 219 V23 DV+DI found at Hörsching?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Marcel

I agree that the He 219 and what has been published is full of anomalies and few second hand sources makes much sense, and unfortunately Remp managed to muddy the waters even further.

Unfortunately you are not entirely clear either. Are you saying that the DV+DI actually should have been painted as DH+DI, or are you talking about a whole new STKZ range? Or have you made a misprint here and when you talk about DH+DA and DH+DI you actually mean DV+DA and DV+DI?

When Remp on page 136 talks about 190016, 190020, and on page 134 190022 (as A-093), is it possible this could be 290016 etc (also including the 190038 on page 120)?

Cheers
Stig

[peppo38]

Dear all, I have purchased Remp yesterday. BUT look like I am already in front of specialists! What i can do is to study more!
Thanks for the replies so far. I will definitively build this controversial bird in 1/48. I like the red & white strips... too much.
Peppo38

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Stig,

You are completely right! I continued to write DH where it should have been DV !!! With such 'help' historical research becomes difficult indeed, sorry for that...

Therefore, this is the correct sentence:
The first He219 with Stkz. DV+Dx (which was the DV+DA) had Wnr. 190105.
Stkz. DV+DI belonged to He219A-042 (Wnr. 190113), not He219A-019 mentioned in Remp's book.

Thank you for correcting me, all the best, Marcel

[RT]

Hello Marcel,

What is the lowest Wn in the 190XXX range ??

Remi

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Marcel

Now your mail makes sense and also fits with what I got so far.
I admit I have not gone through all books I have line by line but somehow Remp's book feels like a step back instead of one ahead checking what was written back in the 1990's, so that is why you had my full attention
with your mail.

With your own dedication to NJG 1 in Holland, the book can't have solved much of your own mysterous, if any are left that is...

Still wishing for a NJG 1 book from you (in English that is!!!), but as long as Schiffer is occupied with stuff like this, it may take a while I suppose...

Cheers
Stig