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Old 19th January 2011, 07:00
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Secret german pilot training facility prior to luftwaffe??

Would anyone happen to have any information about this secret training facility (see wikipedia ref. below) in the USSR for german pilots prior to the Luftwaffe and whether there are any records of pilots that trained there?
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"To train its pilots on the latest combat aircraft, Germany solicited the help of its future enemy, the USSR, which was also isolated in Europe. A secret training airfield was established at Lipetsk in 1924 and operated for approximately nine years using mostly Dutch and Russian, but also some German, training aircraft before being closed in 1933. This base was officially known as 4th squadron of the 40th wing of the Red Army."
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There was one great article in one Soviet magazine where is noted contract as well base where they was trained. Not sure but I think that they used Fokker fighters for training. I will take a look in publications and let you know some later.
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Re: Secret german pilot training facility prior to luftwaffe??

Hi ksuther,
try to google "Lipezk" and hopefully you will find the german version of Wikipedia. There is an extract form Bundesarchiv with all relevant infos.

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Re: Secret german pilot training facility prior to luftwaffe??

Peter Townsend covers this subject very well in his excellent 'Duel of Eagles' if you can get hold of a copy.
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Re: Secret german pilot training facility prior to luftwaffe??

Greetings all,

Off topic but interesting: If you Google Earth Lipezk, Russia, there are hundreds of Russian aircraft lining the two runways and ramps.

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Re: Secret german pilot training facility prior to luftwaffe??

Hi ksuther,

after the first worldwar the germans had no permission to build up a new Luftwaffe because it was forbidden to have engine-aircraft. This was a part of the versailles-contract.
So the "Reichswehr der Weimarer Repuplik" had done a secret contract with the sowjet. With this contract it was possible to sent yearly, from 1923-1933 ~240 pilots to airfield Lipetsk for practising. This was the beginning of the new Luftwaffe.


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Re: Secret german pilot training facility prior to luftwaffe??

Thanks everyone, for your thoughts. I've got a bit more to go on now. - Pilot if you are able to track down that article that would be helpful.
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Hi ksuther,

the engl. language link below will lead you to a little bit more background and facts about the secret contract between germans/sowjets. Maybe it´s a help :


http://www.feldgrau.com/ger-sov.html


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found a second one :

http://www.airpages.ru/eng/ru/lipetsk.shtml



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Thanks everyone, for your thoughts. I've got a bit more to go on now. - Pilot if you are able to track down that article that would be helpful.
Thanks,
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No problem, I will take time but I have just view link kindly provided by JohnyB and this text include even more then original article in Russian

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