JG 51 victories (Part 2)

[Nokose]

31 May 1943
07:55 - 08:20 (M) performing escort for a Pe-2 photo reconnaissance mission were the Yak-1 fighters of the 563 IAP. At an altitude of 4000 - 4500 m from out of the sun the escort fighters were jumped by 6 Fw 190 and a dogfight ensued. Mladshiy Leytenant Dmitriy Minenkov of 563 IAP was shot down in his Yak-1 and crashed 7 km north of Ponyri. He was listed as missing until the wreckage was found at the crash site in 2020.

Oblt. Alfred Messerschmidt Stab I/JG 51 LaGG-3 (4) 07:35 at an altitude of 2500 m PlQu. 35 Ost/63561

[Courtois Laurent]

Helllo,

41th victories of Ltn Joachilm Bredel :

10 juin 1943, 19h49 one Pe-2, PQ 35 Ost 45893

Against a Pe-2 of the 261° BAP / 204 BAD : the plane was damaged by anti-aircraft fire and enemy fighters, the parachuted.

The aircraft crashed in Maklaki village, Duminichsky district, Kaluga region :
54°01′35″ , 34°51′57″ corresponding to the Gradnetz 45893 : 54°1`15“ , 34°52`30“


Pilot : Captain Grishin Moïseï, killed during parachute jump.



Navigator : Ltn Kirnitchev Georgy, injured in the head crashed with the plane
gunner : Staff sergent Iliytchenko Trofim , parachuted in and was killed by ground troop fire


This day (10th june 1943) te soviet looses 40 planes and the german claimed 60 victories.

[Courtois Laurent]

Hello,

the 26th june 1943,Two Yak-7 of the 168th IAP, which had taken off at 8:10 p.m. for a reconnaissance mission, did not return.

At 7:31 p.m. German time or 8:31 p.m. Soviet time, 12 km SSE (54181 @2000m) from Douminitchi at an altitude of 2500 m, Ltn. Heinrich Höfemeier of 3/JG51 claims his 74th victory against a Lagg-3. It is in all likelihood Second Lieutenant Kvarenkov's Yak-7. because s-ltn Kvarenkov Viktor loukianovich (1923) who was taken prisoner by the Germans in Sikejewa which is SW of Douminitchi and the combat attitude is compatible with a parachute jump.








At 7:33 p.m. German time, or 8:33 p.m. Soviet time, 12 km SSW of Douminitchi at an altitude of 500 m, the Obfhr. Bendikt Haupt of 3/JG51 claims his third victory against a Lagg-3, in all likelihood it is Ltn Klimov.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Courtois Laurent

Hello,

Two Yak-7 of the 168th IAP, which had taken off at 8:10 p.m. for a reconnaissance mission, did not return.

Laurent

Can you please advise the date?
The docs you provide are very unclear and Höfemeier never claimed anything like 74 victories (as
per Johannes Mathews)

Cheers
Stig

[Courtois Laurent]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Laurent

Can you please advise the date?
The docs you provide are very unclear and Höfemeier never claimed anything like 74 victories (as
per Johannes Mathews)

Cheers
Stig

Hello, Stig Jarlevik

The post still with 80 years of callout so the date is June 26, 1943. I corrected this omission, thank you for your remark

Concerning Heinrich Hoffemeier all sources indicate 96 victories

http://www.century-of-flight.freeola...W2/aces2/2.htm

thanks again for your remarjks

LC

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Laurent

If you look at the claim list you just provided, there is an incredible jump from 25 to 62 and only including
two ? in between.

Johannes has read the microfilms for so long that if any claims are not there during the "good years",
they most probably never existed.

Cheers
Stig

[Russell]

Hi All,

Between late 1941 and end July 1942 1./JG 51 had listed by date and time some 90 claims in the Ubersicht listings for which there are no known names. Some can be filled in for von Fassong and Laskowski because various confirmation slips have been published, but of the 85 plus claims remaining with unknown names most went to Hofemeier who was in 1 Staffel to early 1943? and Thiel, so there is no reason to doubt the 96 total for Hofemeier as 28 of his claims are probably during this period (No 26 to 55 inclusive, excluding a Pe 2 on 3 June 42.) All explained in the relevant Prien volume.

Regards

Russell

[Courtois Laurent]

30th June 1943.

1/
*soviet loose :

On 06.30.43 at 7:05, a pair of Yak-7b, leader Lieutenant of the Guard Ganin, wingman Second Lieutenant Vinogradov. In the region of Duminitchi at an altitude of 2500-3000m, they engaged in combat with 2 FW-190 and 1 FW-189. At 7.30 a second fight occurs with a reinforcement of forces on both sides up to 6 FWV-190 and 6 Yak-7b.
During the battle, Guards 2nd Lieutenant Chernyak was shot down by a rear attack from above. In a frontal attack from above 2nd Lieutenant Luvbyaneki shot down 1 FV-190 which was crashed in the Frolevskoye region. During this fight in the second fight, Guards Lieutenant Ganin in a second turn shot down 1 FWV-190, which fell in the Susei area. Guard L-t Laukhins from an attack from behind from above shot down a third FV-190, which crashed in the Vyazovskoye area.

German claim :

The Fw. Hubert Strassl of 8./JG 51 claimed at 6:25* a MiG-3 claimed in sector 54 121 (7 km NE Douminitchi at an altitude of 2,500 m. (Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 338)

°6.25 am german time correponding at 7.25 russian time.

scientifically confirmed victory

2/
The claim : 30.06.43 / Fw. Kurt Dombacher 10./JG 51 MiG-3 64 322: at 4.500 m.09.25Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 277,

corresponding to the sector of the 15th Air Force, where the 234th IAD indicates 2 combats, one between 2 Yak-7 and Me109 and the other between 2 Yak-7 and 6 FW6190. No Soviet losses and 3 FW-90 claimed (!!! - ???)

There is therefore no corresponding Soviet loss: overclaimed at first sight

[Leo Etgen]

Hello Courtois

Many thanks for your information regarding JG 51 on June 30, 1943. Is it known which were the Russian units involved in these engagements, particularly that involving Strassl?

Horrido!

Leo

[Courtois Laurent]

Originally Posted by Leo Etgen

Hello Courtois

Many thanks for your information regarding JG 51 on June 30, 1943. Is it known which were the Russian units involved in these engagements, particularly that involving Strassl?

Horrido!

Leo

Hello Leo

here is the identity and unit of Strassl's victim

Pilot : Ltn of the Guard Tcherniak Ivan Kirilovich (1919-1943) of 1 Gv IAP / 7 Gv AID / 2 IAK. (Yak7b)
Burial at Ousty (10 km WNW of Douminitchi).