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Old 20th October 2016, 03:39
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Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

Luftflotte 4 (Uman') - Genobst. Otto Deßloch

VIII.Fliegerkorps (Bila Tserkva) - Gen.d.Fl. Hans Seidemann

Jagdgeschwader 54
II./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Erich Rudorffer
---- 7 x Fw190A-4, 13 x Fw190A-5, 4 x Fw190A-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x Fw190A-4)

Schlachtgeschwader 9
IV./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Bruno Meyer
---- 3 x Hs129B-2
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
10./ (Uman')
---- 12 x Hs129B-2
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 6 x Hs129B-2)

Schlachtgeschwader 10
Stab/ (Berdichev) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Helmut Viedebantt
---- 1 x Ju88C-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
I./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Egon Thiem
---- 11 x Fw190F-3, 12 x Fw190G-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
II./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj Götz Baumann
---- 41 x Fw190G-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)

Schlachtgeschwader 77
Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Helmut Bruck
---- 1 x Ju87D-3, 3 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-5)
I./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Werner Roell
---- 1 x Ju87D-1, 13 x Ju87D-3, 11 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 4 x Ju87D-3, 2 x Ju87D-5)
II./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Alexander Gläser
---- 6 x Fw190F-2, 10 x Fw190F-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Fw190F-3)
III./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Franz Kieslich
---- 12 x Ju87D-3, 19 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-3, 4 x Ju87D-5)

Kampfgeschwader 3
Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Fritz Auffhammer
---- 1 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88C-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
I./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Joachim Jödicke
---- 32 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88A-14
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 8 x Ju88A-4)

Kampfgeschwader 27
Stab/ (Kirovograd) - Geschwaderkommodore Obst. Hans-Henning von Beust
---- 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
III./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Karl Mayer
---- 21 x He111H-16
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x He111H-16)

Kampfgeschwader 53
Stab/ (Rotmistrovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Karl-Eduard Wilke
---- 3 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-14
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Herbert Wittmann
---- 24 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 3 x He111H-16)

Kampfgeschwader 55
II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Heinz Höfer
---- 21 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x He111H-16)
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Old 4th June 2018, 14:18
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

Thanks for info!

Any details and dates for losses? Also, You forgot II./SG2, wich fought over Kiev in early november.
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

Dear friends!

Could You please help me with some Luftwaffe losses on 3.11.43, Luftflotte 4.

-Ju87 (I presume St.G.77 / SG.77)
-Ju88
-He111
-Bf109 (JG51? Aufklarungs?)
-Fw189 (Aufklarungs?)
-Fw190 (JG54, JG51, II./SG2)?
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

Hello...

II Gruppe JG 54

5 Staffel

Fw 190 A-4, werknummer werknummer (14)7112 – Black ? – 85% damaged – Usin/Kiew Süd.

I guess it was on the ground (not LK - Not Luft Kampf)

There are two other Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 losses but to 10. Staffel (not related to your research).

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Old 8th June 2018, 16:11
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

I can check for you the HS 129 losses on this Month....but it will take me some time to reply...
About the other, do have nothing to share...sorry

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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

Hello Evgeny,

according to the Gen.Qu. loss reports on 3 November 1943 Luftflotte 4 units lost the following aircraft:

Go 242 WNr. 014 Schleppgruppe 2 (no enemy action) Warwarowka, Absturz 100%

Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 19675 10./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Bruchlandung, 10%

Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 140061 11./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Absturz, 100%

Ju 88 D-1 WNr. 430893 4.(F)/122 Nikolajew-Ost, Flakbeschuss, 100%

Ju 88 A-4 WNr. 888672 2. Ung.K.St. Planquadrat 0141, Absturz infolge Flakbeschuss, Aufschlagbrand, 100%

Fw 190 A-4 WNr. 7112 5./JG 54 (no enemy action) Usin-Kiew Süd, Fahrwerkschaden, 85%

Bf 110 G-2 WNr. 5200 5./NJG 200 bei Kertsch, Absturz nach Luftkampf, 100%

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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

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I can check for you the HS 129 losses on this Month....but it will take me some time to reply...
About the other, do have nothing to share...sorry

Adriano B.
Thanks Adriano, I have all Hs129 losses and there are no for 3.11.43.
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

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II Gruppe JG 54

5 Staffel

Fw 190 A-4, werknummer werknummer (14)7112 – Black ? – 85% damaged – Usin/Kiew Süd.

I guess it was on the ground (not LK - Not Luft Kampf)

There are two other Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 losses but to 10. Staffel (not related to your research).

Adriano Baumgartner
5./JG54 had at least 1 combat damage, wich caused aircraft left on Kiev-West airfield. It was Fw190A of Paschke, wich had damaged left wingtip on 1st combat mission on that day. Only 5 Fw190 left for Fastov, not all 6. But this loss is not in losslist.

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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

Gentlemen - are there any losses of Fw189 of 7.(H)/32 (NAGr.6) on 3.11.43?
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943

Hi Evgeny,

in the Gen.Qu. loss reports are listed no NAGr 6 losses in the period 20 Oct 1943 to 11 Nov 1943 (19 Oct 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 125290 70%, 12 Nov 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 528 100%).

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