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Old 30th June 2021, 20:42
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Who are they ?

who are these people and when and how did they arrive in the UK?
Several members of the American Veterans Archaeological Recovery (AVAR) team.
Does not seem to be anything to with the DPAA.
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Old 30th June 2021, 21:17
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Re: Who are they ?

I had not heard of them until your post. Details are here:


https://americanveteransarchaeology.org/
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Old 30th June 2021, 21:18
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Old 30th June 2021, 21:28
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Re: Who are they ?

More info on the group:

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/a...-recovery-avar

The current B-24 project in England:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-57663496
https://news.sky.com/story/us-vetera...crash-12345414

This appears to be this plane, a B-24, serial number 42-94826, MACR 7550:


http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/9871

MACR 7550:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/91035941

Page 5 of the MACR is the bombardier's comments. He notes that "A-5 could not be set up as I saw them (pilot and co-pilot?) working with it."
The A-5 was the Sperry AutoPilot. Without the autopilot flying the plane for the final moments, it probably was impossible for all the flight crew to get out of the plane once they let go of the controls. The plane would immediately go down.

Co -Pilot John James Crowther: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/8055...e-daily-times/
(Note the MACR lists Crowther as the co-pilot while the newspaper article says he was the pilot. Also, according to the newspaper article, it appears that Crowther was found outside the plane and that either his chute failed to open or he jumped too late. It is possible Montgomery kept flying the plane at the end to give Crowther and Holoka a chance to get out. The fact that they started the bail-out while still over water suggests to me that things were rapidly going wrong at the end.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...james-crowther

The Pilot Montgomery and Flight Engineer Holoka are still missing per DPAA list: https://www.dpaa.mil/Portals/85/WWII...S_20210625.pdf

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Old 30th June 2021, 21:38
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No not them. Wrong forum...
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Old 30th June 2021, 22:16
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Thanks for the info about them. Seems that they operate with the knowledge and support of the DPAA.
But would they not have to get legal permission to dig here when it would be (as seems) a site of a crash where an aircraft occupant is still believed to be ?
Is it known what official legal permissions have been granted to have enabled the dig ?
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Old 30th June 2021, 23:14
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There is a pamphlet here which gets into some of these questions:

https://historicengland.org.uk/image.../milaircsites/
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Old 1st July 2021, 02:19
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Thank you Rolland,
The pamphlet spells out the need to follow procedures when there is a possibility of old armaments and/or human remains, which in this case is most certainly the case.
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Old 1st July 2021, 15:34
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Alex,

I am going to order Crowther's IDPF file. I am curious as to what it says.
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Old 1st July 2021, 19:11
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Many thanks Rolland, perhaps you could email me a copy when you have time
Crowther was found beside the wreckage i think.
But Montgomery and Holoka are the one's still Unaccounted for and may well still be within the wreckage.

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